Rounds down range

[Boris]

Question on fire power. If I have an SKS with the factory 10 round mag and a 20 and 30 round mag and am loading with stripper clips. Which will put the most lead downrange in a minute? Please do not overthink this!

[Boris Badinov]

Never tried it.

If you've got unlimited, fully loaded 20 or 30 round mags,    theoretically, the hi cap mags would get more lead down range in one minute.

But, if your hi-cap mags are prone to jamming, the 10 round standard may be the way to go.

[Larry D.]

Boris beat me to it.

Those aftermarkets are, um, let's just say problematic.

[running-man]

I'd say if you were extremely proficient with your stripper clip loading, you could come somewhat close to magazines when it comes to the limits of being able to get a target lined up in your sights.  If you have your eyes closed and are just pulling the trigger as quickly as you can, I think magazines are faster by a considerable margin.

[Justin Hell]

The way I read it was you intend to load the 20/30 rounders with stripper clips?  In that case it depends on if you showed up with any of the mags loaded.

I was trying to not overthink it...so I treated it like a riddle.

It possible...but the ten round mag will load easier and faster...and you won't need one of those NC Star thingys. 

Did I win?

[Boris]

I agree with Justin. Probably the ten rounder. Smoother to load.

[1mlt]

I'm not overthinking this either. The most rounds down range is with detachable hi-cap mags, 20's or 30's. The swap time vs stripper clip time is a no contest. IF I understand the question correctly. I'm seeing 2 guys standing beside each other. One loading with stripper clips the other loading hi-cap mags. One min to shoot. The hi-cap wins going away.
Marcus

[Loose}{Cannon]

I'm not overthinking this either. The most rounds down range is with detachable hi-cap mags, 20's or 30's. The swap time vs stripper clip time is a no contest. IF I understand the question correctly. I'm seeing 2 guys standing beside each other. One loading with stripper clips the other loading hi-cap mags. One min to shoot. The hi-cap wins going away.
Marcus

What happens when those hicaps need to be loaded?   

[Loose}{Cannon]

The only accurate test I can think of would be.....   Give me 70 rounds on 7 stripper clips and 10 rounds in the rifle totaling 80 rounds, then give you two loaded 20 round mags and 40 loose rounds in your pocket mixed in with trinkets totaling 80 rounds.

[1mlt]

The only accurate test I can think of would be.....   Give me 70 rounds on 7 stripper clips and 10 rounds in the rifle totaling 80 rounds, then give you two loaded 20 round mags and 40 loose rounds in your pocket mixed in with trinkets totaling 80 rounds.

NOPE, that is not a fair playing field. To make it truly fair, you CAN'T preload ALL your stripper clips, if I can't preload ALL my mags. The "loose rounds in your pocket" must apply equally. Or, you have 80 rounds in stripper clips. I have 4 loaded 20 round mags. Now, we don't have any 'undue advantage' over the other. I still win with my mags. And, I think I can load a mag with 20 rounds a bit quicker than you can load 2 stripper clips. The rounds you are loading must be 'positioned' in the stripper correctly or they won't feed. That will slow you down just enough for me to take a slight lead in the loading process. I have less 'distance' to cover with my 80 rounds going into the mags. I'll try and explain better. I press 1 round into the mag. That round travels the diameter of the casing, about .30" or so. You have to "slide" your rounds into the stripper covering more distance to seat the 10 rounds properly. Distance to cover equals more time. My distance covered to load 80 rounds is less than yours. Does that make sense to you? Clear in my head.
Marcus

[Loose}{Cannon]

Hogwash....     They come out of spam cans on strippers, and thats how they would be applied.  The entire point of stripper clips is to eliminate the fumbling around in a hole trying to load magazines.   

I have a personal experience with this and the m16/m4.....  ask me how I know.

And, I think I can load a mag with 20 rounds a bit quicker than you can load 2 stripper clips

Then its fair....   when we doing this?   

[1mlt]

Hogwash....     They come out of spam cans on strippers, and thats how they would be applied.  The entire point of stripper clips is to eliminate the fumbling around in a hole trying to load magazines.   

I have a personal experience with this and the m16/m4.....  ask me how I know.

And, I think I can load a mag with 20 rounds a bit quicker than you can load 2 stripper clips

Then its fair....   when we doing this?   

IDK, when ya coming to Texas?

[Loose}{Cannon]

Laff.....  been here a looooong time already.

[Greasemonkey]

Just a question... are we using an SKS that uses 30 round duck bill magazines or AK style magazines? I would think the AK mag fed one would have a slight speed advantage to fumbling around with a duck billed magazine. Is the 20 rounder you mention a fixed style Chinese or tanker style detachable?

If I had to throw as much down range in a short a time as possible.. I'd ditch the SKS, and get a Vz.58, best of both worlds. It's designed for stripper loading, high cap magazines and high rates of fire.   

Hogwash....     They come out of spam cans on strippers, and thats how they would be applied.  The entire point of stripper clips is to eliminate the fumbling around in a hole trying to load magazines.   

My 2 crates of M67 Yugo are boxed in the crate already on strippers, 4 loaded strippers per box..

[1mlt]

Just a question... are we using an SKS that uses 30 round duck bill magazines or AK style magazines? I would think the AK mag fed one would have a slight speed advantage to fumbling around with a duck billed magazine. Is the 20 rounder you mention a fixed style Chinese or tanker style detachable?

If I had to throw as much down range in a short a time as possible.. I'd ditch the SKS, and get a Vz.58, best of both worlds. It's designed for stripper loading, high cap magazines and high rates of fire.   

Hogwash....     They come out of spam cans on strippers, and thats how they would be applied.  The entire point of stripper clips is to eliminate the fumbling around in a hole trying to load magazines.   

My 2 crates of M67 Yugo are boxed in the crate already on strippers, 4 loaded strippers per box..

I guess I would be cheating a little. I'll be using duck-bill-less mags and my G3 adapter and a quick release lever. NO DUCKBILL to mess with. Rock -n- Lock and go bang. Repeat 3 more times. DONE.

[Greasemonkey]

I could have said the SKSNR or my Type 84 with AK mags... but the Vz is lighter and the mags work better, plus.... I have a... maybe a few magazines I can load. 

[1mlt]

I could have said the SKSNR or my Type 84 with AK mags... but the Vz is lighter and the mags work better, plus.... I have a... maybe a few magazines I can load. 

It would be interesting to see which IS faster, using 8-loaded stripper clips against 4 loaded 20 round mags. I do think the mags would be faster. 4 less bolt releases, 4 less loading operations.

[Loose}{Cannon]

I could have said the SKSNR or my Type 84 with AK mags... but the Vz is lighter and the mags work better, plus.... I have a... maybe a few magazines I can load. 

It would be interesting to see which IS faster, using 8-loaded stripper clips against 4 loaded 20 round mags. I do think the mags would be faster. 4 less bolt releases, 4 less loading operations.

Thats cheating.    You have to load those mags at some point in the test.   Your wouldn't go into combat with unlimited number of loaded magazines. Use of strippers is a sustained volley.

[Greasemonkey]

The Type 84 could give one an advantage.. it has a bolt hold back button that could make loading easier.  Maybe...


Seriously, I think it depends. If a guy has gotten proficient and trained with just strippers, I imagine it could go either way. I would say it comes down to practice and training as to what one could do vs another.

[Loose}{Cannon]

The Type 84 could give one an advantage.. it has a bolt hold back button that could make loading easier.  Maybe...


Seriously, I think it depends. If a guy has gotten proficient and trained with just strippers, I imagine it could go either way. I would say it comes down to practice and training as to what one could do vs another.

There is a reason why the sks has a bolt hold open built in.   

Imagine this sustained for hours while the other guy is AT SOME POINT in time going to be finger fudging some rounds into a magazine.