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SKS Carbines => Unaltered SKS Rifles => General SKS Discussion => Topic started by: Boris on March 24, 2019, 05:42:50 PM
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Question on fire power. If I have an SKS with the factory 10 round mag and a 20 and 30 round mag and am loading with stripper clips. Which will put the most lead downrange in a minute? Please do not overthink this!
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Never tried it.
If you've got unlimited, fully loaded 20 or 30 round mags, theoretically, the hi cap mags would get more lead down range in one minute.
But, if your hi-cap mags are prone to jamming, the 10 round standard may be the way to go.
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Boris beat me to it.
Those aftermarkets are, um, let's just say problematic.
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I'd say if you were extremely proficient with your stripper clip loading, you could come somewhat close to magazines when it comes to the limits of being able to get a target lined up in your sights. If you have your eyes closed and are just pulling the trigger as quickly as you can, I think magazines are faster by a considerable margin.
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The way I read it was you intend to load the 20/30 rounders with stripper clips? In that case it depends on if you showed up with any of the mags loaded.
I was trying to not overthink it...so I treated it like a riddle.
It possible...but the ten round mag will load easier and faster...and you won't need one of those NC Star thingys. dance2
Did I win?
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I agree with Justin. Probably the ten rounder. Smoother to load.
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I'm not overthinking this either. The most rounds down range is with detachable hi-cap mags, 20's or 30's. The swap time vs stripper clip time is a no contest. IF I understand the question correctly. I'm seeing 2 guys standing beside each other. One loading with stripper clips the other loading hi-cap mags. One min to shoot. The hi-cap wins going away.
Marcus
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I'm not overthinking this either. The most rounds down range is with detachable hi-cap mags, 20's or 30's. The swap time vs stripper clip time is a no contest. IF I understand the question correctly. I'm seeing 2 guys standing beside each other. One loading with stripper clips the other loading hi-cap mags. One min to shoot. The hi-cap wins going away.
Marcus
What happens when those hicaps need to be loaded?
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The only accurate test I can think of would be..... Give me 70 rounds on 7 stripper clips and 10 rounds in the rifle totaling 80 rounds, then give you two loaded 20 round mags and 40 loose rounds in your pocket mixed in with trinkets totaling 80 rounds.
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The only accurate test I can think of would be..... Give me 70 rounds on 7 stripper clips and 10 rounds in the rifle totaling 80 rounds, then give you two loaded 20 round mags and 40 loose rounds in your pocket mixed in with trinkets totaling 80 rounds.
NOPE, that is not a fair playing field. To make it truly fair, you CAN'T preload ALL your stripper clips, if I can't preload ALL my mags. The "loose rounds in your pocket" must apply equally. Or, you have 80 rounds in stripper clips. I have 4 loaded 20 round mags. Now, we don't have any 'undue advantage' over the other. I still win with my mags. And, I think I can load a mag with 20 rounds a bit quicker than you can load 2 stripper clips. The rounds you are loading must be 'positioned' in the stripper correctly or they won't feed. That will slow you down just enough for me to take a slight lead in the loading process. I have less 'distance' to cover with my 80 rounds going into the mags. I'll try and explain better. I press 1 round into the mag. That round travels the diameter of the casing, about .30" or so. You have to "slide" your rounds into the stripper covering more distance to seat the 10 rounds properly. Distance to cover equals more time. My distance covered to load 80 rounds is less than yours. Does that make sense to you? Clear in my head.
Marcus
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Hogwash.... They come out of spam cans on strippers, and thats how they would be applied. The entire point of stripper clips is to eliminate the fumbling around in a hole trying to load magazines. thumb1
I have a personal experience with this and the m16/m4..... ask me how I know.
And, I think I can load a mag with 20 rounds a bit quicker than you can load 2 stripper clips
Then its fair.... when we doing this? :)
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Hogwash.... They come out of spam cans on strippers, and thats how they would be applied. The entire point of stripper clips is to eliminate the fumbling around in a hole trying to load magazines. thumb1
I have a personal experience with this and the m16/m4..... ask me how I know.
And, I think I can load a mag with 20 rounds a bit quicker than you can load 2 stripper clips
Then its fair.... when we doing this? :)
IDK, when ya coming to Texas?
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Laff..... been here a looooong time already.
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Just a question... are we using an SKS that uses 30 round duck bill magazines or AK style magazines? I would think the AK mag fed one would have a slight speed advantage to fumbling around with a duck billed magazine. Is the 20 rounder you mention a fixed style Chinese or tanker style detachable?
If I had to throw as much down range in a short a time as possible.. I'd ditch the SKS, and get a Vz.58, best of both worlds. It's designed for stripper loading, high cap magazines and high rates of fire. :)
Hogwash.... They come out of spam cans on strippers, and thats how they would be applied. The entire point of stripper clips is to eliminate the fumbling around in a hole trying to load magazines. thumb1
My 2 crates of M67 Yugo are boxed in the crate already on strippers, 4 loaded strippers per box.. thumb1
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Just a question... are we using an SKS that uses 30 round duck bill magazines or AK style magazines? I would think the AK mag fed one would have a slight speed advantage to fumbling around with a duck billed magazine. Is the 20 rounder you mention a fixed style Chinese or tanker style detachable?
If I had to throw as much down range in a short a time as possible.. I'd ditch the SKS, and get a Vz.58, best of both worlds. It's designed for stripper loading, high cap magazines and high rates of fire. :)
Hogwash.... They come out of spam cans on strippers, and thats how they would be applied. The entire point of stripper clips is to eliminate the fumbling around in a hole trying to load magazines. thumb1
My 2 crates of M67 Yugo are boxed in the crate already on strippers, 4 loaded strippers per box.. thumb1
I guess I would be cheating a little. I'll be using duck-bill-less mags and my G3 adapter and a quick release lever. NO DUCKBILL to mess with. Rock -n- Lock and go bang. Repeat 3 more times. DONE.
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I could have said the SKSNR or my Type 84 with AK mags... but the Vz is lighter and the mags work better, plus.... I have a... maybe a few magazines I can load. ::)
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I could have said the SKSNR or my Type 84 with AK mags... but the Vz is lighter and the mags work better, plus.... I have a... maybe a few magazines I can load. ::)
It would be interesting to see which IS faster, using 8-loaded stripper clips against 4 loaded 20 round mags. I do think the mags would be faster. 4 less bolt releases, 4 less loading operations.
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I could have said the SKSNR or my Type 84 with AK mags... but the Vz is lighter and the mags work better, plus.... I have a... maybe a few magazines I can load. ::)
It would be interesting to see which IS faster, using 8-loaded stripper clips against 4 loaded 20 round mags. I do think the mags would be faster. 4 less bolt releases, 4 less loading operations.
Thats cheating. You have to load those mags at some point in the test. Your wouldn't go into combat with unlimited number of loaded magazines. Use of strippers is a sustained volley.
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The Type 84 could give one an advantage.. it has a bolt hold back button that could make loading easier. Maybe...
Seriously, I think it depends. If a guy has gotten proficient and trained with just strippers, I imagine it could go either way. I would say it comes down to practice and training as to what one could do vs another.
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The Type 84 could give one an advantage.. it has a bolt hold back button that could make loading easier. Maybe...
Seriously, I think it depends. If a guy has gotten proficient and trained with just strippers, I imagine it could go either way. I would say it comes down to practice and training as to what one could do vs another.
There is a reason why the sks has a bolt hold open built in. thumb1
Imagine this sustained for hours while the other guy is AT SOME POINT in time going to be finger fudging some rounds into a magazine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Sr6tSZhDM
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Question on fire power. If I have an SKS with the factory 10 round mag and a 20 and 30 round mag and am loading with stripper clips. Which will put the most lead downrange in a minute? Please do not overthink this!
The OP said "a minute"... 60 seconds. Not hours.
I think the practice and experience of who ever with which ever decides who is the winner.
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If firefights only last 60 seconds..... then get yourself a few 100 round drums. But I would be prepared to learn how to use stripper clips in the event thats not the case. :)
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That was a nice stripper clip reload and dump. SMOOTH !
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I could have said the SKSNR or my Type 84 with AK mags... but the Vz is lighter and the mags work better, plus.... I have a... maybe a few magazines I can load. ::)
It would be interesting to see which IS faster, using 8-loaded stripper clips against 4 loaded 20 round mags. I do think the mags would be faster. 4 less bolt releases, 4 less loading operations.
Thats cheating. You have to load those mags at some point in the test. Your wouldn't go into combat with unlimited number of loaded magazines. Use of strippers is a sustained volley.
For only 80 rounds, carrying 4-loaded mags would be a piece of cake. My vest will probably hold 8 loaded rifle mags and 6 loaded pistol mags. Remember, my SKS mags don't have duckbills anymore. They will "double stack" in vest pouches. 4 pouches x2 mags each = 8 mags + the one in the rifle. All this being said, at 72, I don't ever expect to be crawling around in the brush looking for "Charlie". I'll leave that to the younger guys.
And, you may be correct in your assessment that you are quicker. I don't know the answer. I suppose it comes down to how well each of us perform all the operations required to get front beginning to end smoothly. Any 'hiccups' and it's over.
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Does not matter if you carry 2 or 20 mags, at some point in time.... your gonna be taking a time-out to load said mags. :P
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Does not matter if you carry 2 or 20 mags, at some point in time.... your gonna be taking a time-out to load said mags. :P
Advantage.....Vz.58, when the mag supply runs dry and the bolt locks back, start reloading with regular SKS strippers. chuckles1 Go on and drag around that 8.5 pound SKS and heavy high cap magazines, a fully loaded Vz.58 still weighs less than what an SKS does empty. :)
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Does not matter if you carry 2 or 20 mags, at some point in time.... your gonna be taking a time-out to load said mags. :P
Yes, but what does that have to do with "loose rounds" in my pocket or firing only 80 rounds? At some point the stripper clips will need reloading or replacing also.
Marcus
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stripper clips will need reloading or replacing also
nope
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Question on fire power. If I have an SKS with the factory 10 round mag and a 20 and 30 round mag and am loading with stripper clips. Which will put the most lead downrange in a minute? Please do not overthink this!
I may be looking at this all wrong, but the way I interpreted the OP's question was; He's going to use a 10rd. factory mag for 60 seconds, reloading with already loaded stripper clips, and see how many rounds he can put downrange in that 60 seconds.
And then, do the same with the 20rd. and then the 30rd. mags, reloading them with the already loaded stripper clips, aiming and firing for 60 seconds each. And then count the rds. down range on each mag, as well.
If that's what he is asking, the issue would be how well do the 20rd and 30rd mags take loading with stripper clips? If they can be loaded smoothly, and with no stove pipes or jams, (which actual brand/type of 20 & 30rd mags isn't mentioned), the larger capacity mags should win out on rounds down range.
But I may be overthinking it and need to go back to cleaning guns. :) senil1 popcorn2
firstchoice
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think1 Wait a fricken minute....... Will a SKS take loading with stripper clips and a high cap AK style mag? SKS D, SKS M and a SKSNR all take AK style high cap mags from the factory.....yet they don't have stripper clips guides on the carrier, they are gone, missing, non existant. And the high cap SKS variants short of the Type 84 don't have a last shot bolt hold open... so how do you hold the bolt open, and load with strippers with no guides? And an AK style mag is not really designed for loading while in the rifle with strippers, cause you can't load an AK with strippers.
I'm going to have to try it :)
Guess why have stripper guides in place if it won't load that way....them zany Chinese... thumb1 guess the whole mess is really a moot point..
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Question on fire power. If I have an SKS with the factory 10 round mag and a 20 and 30 round mag and am loading with stripper clips. Which will put the most lead downrange in a minute? Please do not overthink this!
Based on the above posts, you need to do some more 'splaining about what you are REALLY trying to do. Give us some parameters. Are you wanting to know if one shooter using preloaded stripper clips can put more lead downrange than another shooter using preloaded hi cap mags? OR??????
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think1 Wait a fricken minute....... Will a SKS take loading with stripper clips and a high cap AK style mag? SKS D, SKS M and a SKSNR all take AK style high cap mags from the factory.....yet they don't have stripper clips guides on the carrier, they are gone, missing, non existant. And the high cap SKS variants short of the Type 84 don't have a last shot bolt hold open... so how do you hold the bolt open, and load with strippers with no guides? And an AK style mag is not really designed for loading while in the rifle with strippers, cause you can't load an AK with strippers.
I'm going to have to try it :)
Guess why have stripper guides in place if it won't load that way....them zany Chinese... thumb1 guess the whole mess is really a moot point..
I'm assuming (yeah, I know...nea1) that the OP's SKS is an as-issued Type 56, since he's using a 10rd. fixed mag first. So, even using the aftermarket 20rd and 30rd. mags, the bolt hold open won't release until the bolt carrier is drawn back. That shouldn't be a problem, "assuming" all our other guesses are correct. ::) :)) The biggest issue will be how hard will the thumb-busting pressure be getting the last 10-20rds. fed into the high caps and then, will they feed right?
Question on fire power. If I have an SKS with the factory 10 round mag and a 20 and 30 round mag and am loading with stripper clips. Which will put the most lead downrange in a minute? Please do not overthink this!
Based on the above posts, you need to do some more 'splaining about what you are REALLY trying to do. Give us some parameters. Are you wanting to know if one shooter using preloaded stripper clips can put more lead downrange than another shooter using preloaded hi cap mags? OR??????
He told us not to overthink this, that may be the problem. Maybe we should have just said something like, "Ummm...2 outa 3?" or "Is it snowing or hot outside?" rofl2
Okay, too much thinking for me this week. Back to stackin' BB's... think1 umnik1
firstchoice
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think1 Wait a fricken minute....... Will a SKS take loading with stripper clips and a high cap AK style mag? SKS D, SKS M and a SKSNR all take AK style high cap mags from the factory.....yet they don't have stripper clips guides on the carrier, they are gone, missing, non existant. And the high cap SKS variants short of the Type 84 don't have a last shot bolt hold open... so how do you hold the bolt open, and load with strippers with no guides? And an AK style mag is not really designed for loading while in the rifle with strippers, cause you can't load an AK with strippers.
I'm going to have to try it :)
Guess why have stripper guides in place if it won't load that way....them zany Chinese... thumb1 guess the whole mess is really a moot point..
NC Star makes this (aforementioned) thingy for using strippers with SKS/AK mags. There is an allotment in it for the duckbill...here is a vid of a dude using one on AK mags...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrwsgC2WjL0
Don't ask me why I have one of these....I do recall it was dirt cheap/clearance. I used it once or twice...meh. What I find funny is that it is also used as an 'un'loader....I dunno about that function, I do it the old fashioned way, sure it's noisy...but any other method of unloading a magazine makes you wonder why you loaded it in the first place.
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Seems kind of inefficient rofl rofl2
Easy way to load a Vz... thumb1
https://youtu.be/q8ud-67BWxg
think1 Wait a fricken minute....... Will a SKS take loading with stripper clips and a high cap AK style mag? SKS D, SKS M and a SKSNR all take AK style high cap mags from the factory.....yet they don't have stripper clips guides on the carrier, they are gone, missing, non existant. And the high cap SKS variants short of the Type 84 don't have a last shot bolt hold open... so how do you hold the bolt open, and load with strippers with no guides? And an AK style mag is not really designed for loading while in the rifle with strippers, cause you can't load an AK with strippers.
I'm going to have to try it :)
Guess why have stripper guides in place if it won't load that way....them zany Chinese... thumb1 guess the whole mess is really a moot point..
I'm assuming (yeah, I know...nea1) that the OP's SKS is an as-issued Type 56, since he's using a 10rd. fixed mag first. So, even using the aftermarket 20rd and 30rd. mags, the bolt hold open won't release until the bolt carrier is drawn back. That shouldn't be a problem, "assuming" all our other guesses are correct. ::) :)) The biggest issue will be how hard will the thumb-busting pressure be getting the last 10-20rds. fed into the high caps and then, will they feed right?
I tried my SKSNR with strippers, no stripper guides and a regular AK mag.... I needed 4 or 5 hands to hold it all, the Type 84 went marginally better, with the modified bolt hold back and stripper guides.. BUT, still by no means easy and the second stripper was, well it pissed me off, so I just quit. I tried my Vz.58, the third stripper, the final 30, is a bear and takes some pressure, but it does load. Usually, I just load 2 strippers in it when playing at the range.