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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2015, 01:39:25 PM »
Laff, LC called me out for using like 3 year old examples in my previous post.  I updated the photos to something more legible as well as showing the different Chinese long/short lug combinations.

There are also Yugo bottom lug stamps:


and of course Russian bottom lug stamps:


I'll see if I can get additional Romy and Alby examples as I'm pretty sure they conform to this pattern too.


Bottom line is I will be tracking the bottom barrel lug stamps and side barrel / receiver match stamps in this Russian survey (and in the Romy, Alby, Yugo etc. surveys).  Maybe we'll find some interesting patterns in there somewhere....  Just from looking at the photos I've put up, it's clear the Yugos have a different placement of the number on the flat of the lug instead of the round like Chinese/Russian barrels show.
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2015, 12:15:41 AM »
I just added two more sets of photo examples to the main post list.  This brings the total to 12 that have been at least talked about on the web, with 6 of those having photo documentation.  I would guess that this is the largest documentation of transitional '56s and their respective features compiled anywhere to-date.  Three cheers for SKS-Files.  clap1
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2015, 06:56:11 AM »
Nice..  Where you find thiose?
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2015, 09:30:22 AM »
One sold at auction last month, the other I pulled from a Russian website.  Deactivated milsurps are a big deal out there (I guess the gun laws require them to be deactivated anyhow, they talk about having a deactivation 'passoport' to show that the gun has been throughly deactivated in multiple areas.  They go so far as to say any bayonet must be cut so that it structurally cannot stand up to poking someone, or full annealed so that it would be like a wet noodle if someone tried to use it.  Sad to see what happens to some of them, but the S/N & component information is still there for research at least (I guess).
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2015, 09:39:28 AM »
Interesting
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2015, 02:22:37 PM »
Found another one.  13 in total now!  KP2643_Д.  The receiver star and receiver cover fits right into the pattern we're starting to see too.  thumb1  Unfortunately the stock looks to be a replacement...
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2016, 03:18:41 PM »
Found KP2348_Д on gunbroker.  Rough gun, but still available: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=555209650  I doubt being in the '55-'56 transitional series really produces much extra $$ come sale time.
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2016, 03:35:02 PM »
Oli found heavy refurb KP5264_Д on AKfiles and pointed me to it. (Thanks man!  thumb1)

I found KP6367_Д on gunbroker.  Likely a legit as-issued transitional there with a no-date star stamp cover.  thumb1.  I also just found a very low series KP219_Д that I'll put up at some point.
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2017, 03:58:36 PM »
I have a KA 22XX _Д without a date on the receiver cover if that helps any.
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2017, 05:35:43 PM »
Absolutely does, is it a refurb gun?  Doesn't fit in with the pattern thusfar, but data trumps the theory and there could have been a period of inconsistent covers. 

Would you mind posting up some photos?  If you are worried about the whole S/N showing on the photos, you can email them to me (running-man @ sks-files.com) and I'll blank out the relevant portions of the photos before posting them.  Here in the states, a full Russian S/N means nothing because there are 5 different ways that the 'real' S/N could have been applied.  In Canada, it may be something totally different though.  Not sure how they deal with the Cyrillic up there in the federal registry...
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2017, 06:12:22 PM »
they just use whatever letters look closest   I O is ю and there's probably 3 different ways of getting a n w or h serial number.
What do you want photos of in particular?
I brought it as 'unissued'.  and its almost like a fake sks its so unscratched and undented, so i believe that, but it could also be all replaced everything.
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2017, 07:23:36 PM »
Would that possibly be a 1950-51 with the 45 degree gas block?
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2017, 07:33:52 PM »
its a tula D is all i can say, i never explored the different gas blocks in case i needed to buy one of each gas block from each factory of each year.
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2017, 08:12:28 PM »
No Justin, that's a std post '52 curved gas block, the lighting just make it look like a 45° block.

newchi, photos of the receiver S/N and tula star (if any), receiver cover rear (S/N), receiver cover top (star, date, and refurb stamp if any), stock S/N and star cartouche (if any) would be most beneficial for this thread.  Anything in addition to that is gravy that would let us know if something is not quite right with the gun (like photos of the gas block and front sight block)

As a side note, I've seen some very suspect 'new/unissued' guns on CGN that have clearly been humped or reworked by someone other than a Russian arsenal.  Not saying this one is, but this one clearly has a late Russian hardwood 'replacement' stock based on the clear toe splice I see in your photo...
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2017, 08:39:50 PM »
I believe it was unissued since the last time it was fixed up and stuffed in a crate, because it it was unissued from the factory i would expect the whole crate to be similarly numbered, but thats just me.
Yes, its the later stock from smaller blanks with the extra splice i agree.
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2017, 11:35:12 PM »
Just added КР7479Д and she's a beauty.  I guess my thoughts that the receiver covers may have transitioned to no stamp covers towards the end of the KP run is incorrect, or at least incorrect up through KP7479.  :P 

Quite the comprehensive list we have here.  I wish I could verify the guns w/o photos though.  8)
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2017, 08:07:55 AM »
Roger that...  In time my friend.  Just a matter of time.   thumb1
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2017, 11:41:42 PM »
For some reason I skipped this thread when the whole photobucket fiasco occurred way back when.  That has been rectified.  thumb1
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2017, 02:56:38 PM »
Running-Man , I saw your collection of 56's on post- Letter D in hardwood. I bought a 56 from Canadian Tire awhile back. S/N  HM5647( I don't know how to put Russian letter N). The stock was laminate and crappy finish and I redid it. Cover has nothing on it except a refurb. mark. Matching S/N except for magazine (common in Canada), Bolt is black but S/N stamped. Rear sight has been replaced. Carbine has been bbq. painted. If you require pictures, let me know.

https://ibb.co/album/kMVpLa
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Re: 1955 to 1956 Russian Transitional Guns
« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2017, 04:18:28 PM »
I'd love photos jstin!  Start up a new thread in the Russian section and show that beauty off!  thumb1
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