1949 SKS - ЮЕ 416

[jstin2]

My 49 arrived today. As I thought from the pictures the stock was from a bladed SKS. Put my spare laminate stock on after taking pictures. The magazine does not have rivet and the cleaning rod nubs are equal, so an early build. Not frankenpinned but internally pinned to 5 rounds per Canadian law. All matching S/N's. There is a refurb mark(half diamond) on cover so it must have underwent inspection. I noticed the difference with #1 stamps on S/N's.

https://ibb.co/album/pWHxDs

[Phosphorus32]

Nice!

It’s interesting that the 1 is so different on the receiver.

[jstin2]

Now, if you compare Greg's SKS ( post - An early 1949 SKS) the rifle has a 1 on bolt and carrier only. The rest are sans-serif. And on mine only the receiver is sans-serif. So does this mean that mine is a later built compared to Greg's. Transitions? I should note that the year on the cover has 1 on mine, Greg's and Sean's (post - An interesting 1949 SKS).
Sean's S/N does not contain a 1, so we cannot compare that.

https://ibb.co/album/N2rzV5

[jstin2]

I bought a 49 at auction and looked at the website to see if the serial numbers were sans-serif.  The S/N's shown are all sans-serif. Rifle serial number is ЮE 1217.  ЮE 416 has only receiver sans-serif, ЮE 1217 has all shown S/N's sans-serif. Figure that one out. I should be getting this rifle next week.

https://bid.switzersauction.com/item.aspx?i=49739629

[jstin2]

When I was looking at this rifle for sale, I could tell that the stock was for a blade bayonet. I asked several times for additional pictures of the stock, but never got any. Only when I had a spare laminate stock, did I decide to buy. First 2 pictures were in the ad and the next 2 are by me. By the way the magazine is pinned, I don't think that it is a Westrifle modification.

[theSKSguy45]

Looks similar to mine (if maybe a bit nicer woodwork)

[running-man]

I bought a 49 at auction and looked at the website to see if the serial numbers were sans-serif.  The S/N's shown are all sans-serif. Rifle serial number is ЮE 1217.  ЮE 416 has only receiver sans-serif, ЮE 1217 has all shown S/N's sans-serif. Figure that one out. I should be getting this rifle next week.

https://bid.switzersauction.com/item.aspx?i=49739629

Interesting stuff.  I've always assumed that sans serif 1's were the norm in early '49 and the transition happened midway through the production year with serif 1's appearing on some carbines having a mixture of sans serif and serif 1's until at the end of '49 production, all 1's were serif. 

If this isn't the case then it may be that refurbished and restamped parts were exclusively given serif'd 1's and the sans serif 1s are exclusive to 1949 as sans serif 1's are not seen in any other year production as far as I know.

There are lots of Russian SKSs in that auction gives me the heebie jeebies man, lots of them.  Some of those stock stamps and cartouches really scream that they were recently stamped to me...

[jstin2]

416 was a private sale. I should be getting the other rifle(1217) sometime this week. At that time I will be able to get some clear pictures and post. I looked at the other rifles and passed. All were frankenpinned so possibly Westrifle connection. 1217 is also frankenpinned but condition looked good and price was right.

[Boris Badinov]

My 49 arrived today. As I thought from the pictures the stock was from a bladed SKS. Put my spare laminate stock on after taking pictures. The magazine does not have rivet and the cleaning rod nubs are equal, so an early build. Not frankenpinned but internally pinned to 5 rounds per Canadian law. All matching S/N's. There is a refurb mark(half diamond) on cover so it must have underwent inspection. I noticed the difference with #1 stamps on S/N's.

https://ibb.co/album/pWHxDs

Is the trigger stamped with the serif 1 too?

[Boris Badinov]

Interesting stuff.  I've always assumed that sans serif 1's were the norm in early '49 and the transition happened midway through the production year with serif 1's appearing on some carbines having a mixture of sans serif and serif 1's until at the end of '49 production, all 1's were serif. 

If this isn't the case then it may be that refurbished and restamped parts were exclusively given serif'd 1's and the sans serif 1s are exclusive to 1949 as sans serif 1's are not seen in any other year production as far as I know.

It seems odd that every part would be replaced during a single refurb-- especially if none of them are updated designs.

The metal on this 416 carbine strikes me as possibly all original.

Maybe the components were stamped at the same time while the receiver was stamped earlier.?

[jstin2]

I did not realize that I forgot to add this picture to album.

[running-man]

It seems odd that every part would be replaced during a single refurb-- especially if none of them are updated designs.

The metal on this 416 carbine strikes me as possibly all original.

Maybe the components were stamped at the same time while the receiver was stamped earlier.?

Could easily be.  There's bound to be a good explanation as to why the fonts are so different though.  You would think it would be a hard cut with all sans serif 1's throughout the carbine transitioning to receiver sans serif 1's with piece parts having serif 1's in your scenario.  Instead, Jstin shows certain parts sans and others serif with no real hard delimiter.  I'm still unable to find a sans serif 1 anywhere on an SKS45 outside 1949...

[jstin2]

running-man, I was looking at this carbine and noticed another stamped part with #1. No idea why it is stamped.

[jstin2]

I looked at the rest of rifle and found that there is no marking on the front sight.

[running-man]

Pretty interesting to *not* see the usual 1/2/3 markings, or indeed any inspection markings of any kind on the front of the FSB like that.  No idea what it means (perhaps this particular FSB was made prior to the Soviets implementing those typical markings), but it's interesting.

Here's another '49 w/o any markings on the front face of the FSB.  May be a pattern there.  Will need time to delve into it.

[jstin2]

running-man - here is one more without any numbers. Got my ЮE 1217 today.



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