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Title: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: running-man on August 16, 2015, 05:08:41 PM

Just like the title says, I'm going to be tracking the new import from PW Arms Yugos that are currently being sold by SOG (M59/66A1), Classic (M59/66A1) and Dan's Sporting goods (M59).

The import stamp on these guns will look something like this:

(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/yugo/import_stamps/PW_ARMS_REDMOND_WA4.jpg~original)

I'd like to see the following info if possible:

• Receiver S/N (you may XX out the final one or two numbers if you wish, we will not be publishing exact serial numbers in the tracking thread.)
  (http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Yugo/J3722XX_receiver.jpg~original)
   
  
• Type of night sights: luminous paint, luminous vials, or no night sights.
  (http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/yugo/examples/yugo_night_sights_paint.jpg~original)
  
  (http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/yugo/examples/yugo_night_sights_vial.jpg~original)
  
  (http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/yugo/examples/yugo_no_night_sights.jpg~original)
   
  
• Type of grenade launcher: none, early ported / square, mid non-ported / square, late non-ported / angled.
  (http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/yugo/examples/yugo_GL_ported_square.jpg~original)
  
  (http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/yugo/examples/yugo_GL_non-ported_square.jpg~original)
  
  (http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/yugo/examples/yugo_GL_non-ported_angle.jpg~original)
   
  
• Type of rear sight leaf (RSL): blued, in the white.
  (http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/yugo/examples/yugo_RSL.jpg~original)
   
  
• Type of crossbolt head: round, flat.
  (http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/yugo/examples/yugo_crossbolt_round.jpg~original)
  
  (http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/yugo/examples/yugo_crossbolt_flat.jpg~original)

Please post up your new guns and help us refine the work done by Glen Burton back in the early 2000's.

Thanks!

-RM

Photos from various auction sites and internet postings are used under 17 U.S. Code § 107, fair use, not for profit educational purposes.  If any of the photos in this post are yours and you explicitly do not want them shown, please contact me.

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: running-man on August 17, 2015, 10:08:17 AM

Serial Numbers and Data:

S/N           Night Sights     GL Config     RSL Finish     Crossbolt Type

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C3362X      N/A                N/A              Unk              Round
C3412X      N/A                N/A              Blued            Flat
C3477X      N/A                N/A              Unk               Flat (Has a non blued gas tube.)   
C3702X      N/A                N/A              Blued            Flat
C3731X      N/A                N/A              Blued            Round
C4323X      N/A                N/A              Blued            Round

E10338X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk

F15762X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
F16456X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
F16457X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
F17097X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk

G20355X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
G22281X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
G22282X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
G222XXX    Unk                 Early/Sq.     Unk              Unk
G22337X    Paint                Early/Sq.     Blued           Flat
G22523X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
G22568X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
G22583X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
G22776X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
G22780X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk

H25404X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
H27602X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
H27652X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
H27653X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk

I31637X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
I31803X    Unk                 Early/Sq.     White            Unk
I32176X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk

J36798X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
J36800X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk

L45560X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk

M50953X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
M51633X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk

N54593X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk

T67409X    Paint                Late/Angle  White           Round
T67426X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk

V68680X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
V69420X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk

B71583X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
B71591X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
B71592X    Unk                 Unk             Unk              Unk
B720XXX    Unk                Late/Angle    White           Unk

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 17, 2015, 11:00:03 AM

(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/IMG_20150815_205658209.jpg)

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on August 17, 2015, 01:04:05 PM

Interesting, caliber varies from 7.63 to 7.65, so I wonder if it's the actual machined bore diameter or if it's usage on the barrel that actually causes that much difference.

A 7.63mm around .309, 7.65mm, is roughly a .313 bore. Pretty impressive, keeping tabs on barrel wear, kinda like the Swiss and Swedish.

One would think being unissued, or if strongly refurbed, there wouldn't be quite that much variance, but, good 'ol Commie cheapness, run it till it quits bat1.  Kinda makes one wonder, at what point did they rebarrel or do a ground up refurb or did they just simply retire the weapon, in favor of the Ak weapon system..

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 17, 2015, 01:42:25 PM

Welp... There is a 7.66 on there next to a 5% and a 7.64 next to a 10%.  They are also based on consecutive serials, and I don't believe refurb depos meant reserialization. 

It looks to be a production tolerance/variation.   I wouldn't think new barrels would all measure exactly the same.  Tool wear plays a major roll in production and is the whole reason there is a tolerance in the first place.

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on August 17, 2015, 01:56:31 PM

7.64 is 10%, but a 7.63 and 7.65 or 7.66 are 5%... the percent must be for something other than bore size or wear, unless it's say, amount of the barrel that contains pitting or maybe throat erosion, something along those lines.

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 17, 2015, 01:58:40 PM

Could be how much cosmo has dripped off since last inspection for all we know.   

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 17, 2015, 02:09:33 PM

I find the three bold words center/bottom with the middle being highlighted to be interesting.  They read translated top to bottom...

Short-term
Long-term
Not protected

This shows THREE methods/levels of storing the rifles whether it be...

Light oiled
Cosmoed
Nothing

Food for thought. 

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 17, 2015, 08:50:14 PM

Bingo....

Ministrstvo za obrambo = Department of defence

Delavnice za vzdrzevanje maribor = workshop for maintenance

Vrsta zascite = degree of protection

Datum zascite = date of protection

Rok poteka zas = the period of zas

Podpis izvajalca del = Signature of contractor

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: pyroTECH on August 18, 2015, 08:04:41 AM

Got one from classic and one from Dan's on the way.... Will share when I get them cleaned up.

I also have a 59/66 that was my first sks I can also share for comparison.

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: running-man on August 18, 2015, 09:03:17 AM

Awesome pyro!

Haven't seen you in a while, hope things are going ok!  thumb1

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 18, 2015, 09:20:26 AM

Quote from: pyroTECH on August 18, 2015, 08:04:41 AM

Got one from classic and one from Dan's on the way.... Will share when I get them cleaned up.

I also have a 59/66 that was my first sks I can also share for comparison.

Dang man....  One each!    Where you order the 59/66 from?

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: pyroTECH on August 18, 2015, 11:11:52 AM

Quote from: running-man on August 18, 2015, 09:03:17 AM

Awesome pyro!

Haven't seen you in a while, hope things are going ok!  thumb1

Thing are great, thanks for asking.

Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on August 18, 2015, 09:20:26 AM

Quote from: pyroTECH on August 18, 2015, 08:04:41 AM

Got one from classic and one from Dan's on the way.... Will share when I get them cleaned up.

I also have a 59/66 that was my first sks I can also share for comparison.

Dang man....  One each!    Where you order the 59/66 from?

After double checking I have a 59/66A1 that I bought from cable's a long time ago. Right before they pulled them off the shelves after someone bought a de-milled and burned up their hand.

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: MEBears on August 19, 2015, 09:30:39 PM

R-M, my M59 from Dan's is C-37025. The sight leaf is blued and it has the flat head crossbolt. I did notice the crossbolt nut on this one is round and the one on my Samco import is flat. Also, the muzzle on this is in the white and the Samco import is blued if that matters.

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: bbush44 on August 21, 2015, 03:29:26 PM

My M59 from Dan's is C-43231, the sight leaf is blued, and it has the round head crossbolt.
Here's the post.
http://sks-files.com/yugoslavian-sks/21/my-m59-from-dans/1527/msg18086#new (http://sks-files.com/yugoslavian-sks/21/my-m59-from-dans/1527/msg18086#new)

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: John Galt on August 21, 2015, 07:47:03 PM

My Dan's M59:

serial:  c-34123
RLS  blued
Cross bolt head is flat
my M59  My M59 from Dan's in Yugoslavian SKS - Page 1 of 1 (http://sks-files.com/yugoslavian-sks/21/my-m59-from-dans/1529/)

John Galt

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: running-man on November 08, 2015, 10:50:30 AM

These are already showing up on GB: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=512076831

About $100 appreciation for this particular gun in only a couple short months.  Wow!

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on November 08, 2015, 11:37:02 AM

Wait...  Don't the distributors still have these? 

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: running-man on November 08, 2015, 11:45:40 AM

Yup, they have all the Yugos you can buy...

I can see a bit of a premium because it's a nice one, but man, most of the guns from the recent import batch look like this no?

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on November 08, 2015, 11:53:27 AM

Someone without a c/r and unable to buy from a dist muat have bought it.

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on November 08, 2015, 01:03:55 PM

There were three bidders willing to pay a premium over retail on this one  ??? Remarkable

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: wacman85 on November 08, 2015, 01:40:15 PM

i thought the % of wear was for the over-all, the rifle as a whole. not just barrel wear. but not sure of that.

Title: Re: Official 2015 Yugo Imports (PW Arms, SOG/Classic/Dan's) Tracking Thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on November 08, 2015, 01:54:08 PM

Quote from: wacman85 on November 08, 2015, 01:40:15 PM

i thought the % of wear was for the over-all, the rifle as a whole. not just barrel wear. but not sure of that.

That's what I would guess as well.

I missed the barrel wear discussion earlier.  7.65 is really not bad at all. That's like a "1" on an American .30 cal muzzle erosion gauge.

(http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z475/phosphorus32/Bore%20Diameter%20Table.jpg) (http://s1191.photobucket.com/user/phosphorus32/media/Bore%20Diameter%20Table.jpg.html)