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SKS Carbines => Unaltered SKS Rifles => Chinese SKS (Military) => Topic started by: Weldrdave on October 31, 2022, 08:10:07 AM

Title: What do I have here?
Post by: Weldrdave on October 31, 2022, 08:10:07 AM
Hello Gang,

If I asked this before, forgive me but this is one I picked up a while back in 2018.   Check out the serial number...  Thoughts?   There appears to be a /12\ in a small  broken triangle.  It also has a blade bayonet.

(https://i.ibb.co/V3Rdqhp/DSCN5322.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZN53Mw1)

(https://i.ibb.co/Xsjs1L4/DSCN5321.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xjXjWLs)
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: running-man on October 31, 2022, 10:13:02 AM
Hi Dave,

That is a Russian "sneak" SKS45 in a replacement Albanian beech stock that came in with the Albanian Chinese T56 imports back in 2014-2015.  I'm going to guess that this is an IO Inc. Monroe, NC or perhaps even an IO Inc. Palm Bay, FL import stamp that calls this a "Chinese" gun?  If it follows the pattern for a Russian sneak, it likely also has a replacement non-matching receiver cover too.

The only PE prefix I have in the database comes from an as-issued '53 which with the small amount of features I can see in your photos it could certainly be.

(https://i.ibb.co/8x0BXdp/PE1805-receiver.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/KWsM6zc/PE1805-stock.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/M1B3gKp/PE1805-receiver-cover-top.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/M73pBss/PE1805-crossbolt.jpg)
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Weldrdave on October 31, 2022, 10:25:11 AM
Thanks RM!  It does have a replacement bolt cover, (unmarked) with a 37564 serial number on the back.  I actually have 3 of these, bought them in a group.  One of the others has a Exxxx and the other is an Hxxxx.   The H gun completely matches, everything!  The E gun has a scrubbed bolt cover.     Yes, they are Imported from North Carolina.
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Weldrdave on October 31, 2022, 10:28:20 AM
If you want more pics for the Data base, you know I'll be happy to post them!  thumb1. 
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: running-man on November 01, 2022, 10:58:25 AM
Nice Dave!  Hang on to that Chinese letter H gun.  100% all matching versions are more the exception than the rule and not terribly common (many had replacement stocks or receiver covers).  At any rate, they certainly aren't making any more of them! 

I have a year 2 SinoBanian just like your E prefix gun.  Beautiful stock, decent finish on the metal, mismatching receiver cover... doh1 cry2

Any photos you might want to post we're always happy to oogle over! :P
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Weldrdave on November 02, 2022, 05:44:14 PM
Here's some pics of the (H) rifle.  As you can see, it has some "Character" and it all matches.   whistle12
Enjoy.   
(https://i.ibb.co/KLGrkHP/DSCN5324.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gP7RpC2)

(https://i.ibb.co/tCb7rCK/DSCN5323.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h8KPz89)

(https://i.ibb.co/yp1gzC4/DSCN5325.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kJfqLTm)

(https://i.ibb.co/vJZHPNw/DSCN5326.jpg) (https://ibb.co/brzPB4W)

(https://i.ibb.co/9yW3bfD/DSCN5327.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6DFJHpM)

(https://i.ibb.co/ZSwHcqM/DSCN5328.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xYcmzx7)

(https://i.ibb.co/VJs1f6X/DSCN5329.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HBjS5Zm)

(https://i.ibb.co/3WMVk4L/DSCN5330.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vmQfDVK)

(https://i.ibb.co/pw2FNHw/DSCN5332.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bm19Y4m)
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Phosphorus32 on November 02, 2022, 08:28:33 PM
Great SKS! I love the Albanian-used Type 56s with character  thumb1
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Weldrdave on November 03, 2022, 08:55:11 AM
Ok, now I'm really screwed up! ???  Is this an Albanian, built in Russia, stamped in China?   ???  Or, a Russian SKS, Albanian stock, stamped by the Importer that its Chinese?   chuckles1.  Boy did they really screw with peoples heads!
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Greasemonkey on November 03, 2022, 10:40:08 AM
It is a Chinese rifle and stock, made in China, based off a Russian design, and it was used and imported from Albania. The import stamp just designates the original country of manufacture. thumb1
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Weldrdave on November 03, 2022, 01:05:40 PM
 Besplode.  OK!   chuckles1.  Got to let this one absorb into the old head!  thankyou1
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: running-man on November 03, 2022, 06:24:59 PM
Quote from: Greasemonkey on November 03, 2022, 10:40:08 AM
It is a Chinese rifle and stock, made in China, based off a Russian design, and it was used and imported from Albania. The import stamp just designates the original country of manufacture. thumb1

Ya, but which one is he asking about?  chuckles1

Dave,
thumb1
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Weldrdave on November 04, 2022, 07:29:59 AM
Thank you!  Ok, I'm get'n it now!  I have 1 more to put on here, then my head might explode!  Besplode chuckles1 rofl
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Weldrdave on November 04, 2022, 08:21:50 AM
Ok, here we go again; This one has all matching (except) the bolt cover.  I got all these in a "trio" buy situation, Legally and correctly.
OK, so I'm gonna guess,  A Chinese made, Albanian stock.  It does have a small /26\ but doesn't look quite right.    Waiting for the results!  :).
(https://i.ibb.co/S3HQHBY/DSCN5333.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QKh8hMS)

(https://i.ibb.co/9tjCKnc/DSCN5334.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zJw09sQ)

(https://i.ibb.co/q1x7rtb/DSCN5335.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h8CLmPp)

(https://i.ibb.co/KrFSMNP/DSCN5336.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZMW7nHj)

(https://i.ibb.co/DVC2dgz/DSCN5337.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X2sRHkj)

(https://i.ibb.co/tJbVRNn/DSCN5342.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MCRFdjK)

(https://i.ibb.co/98sCNkT/DSCN5341.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SsR9P4n)

(https://i.ibb.co/yR2vGN1/DSCN5338.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Dbdcs1y)

(https://i.ibb.co/r0PMMvf/DSCN5340.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c35ttxX)
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Greasemonkey on November 04, 2022, 10:09:27 AM
You nailed it, your getting the hang of it.... thumb1  E series Chinese wearing what looks like a retro fitted Albanian stock, it has some fish scaling in the wood grain(not a usual trait in Chinese stock wood), and a cool serial.. 5678. The /26 stamp is actually, fairly normal, probably someone using a worn stamp or someone was in a rush on Friday.
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Weldrdave on November 04, 2022, 10:15:37 AM
Thank you very much GM!  thumb1.  yes, I'm still learning, even after 37 or 38 of them now!  :-X.   chuckles1.  What was that about having a problem...  rofl2 :)
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: running-man on November 04, 2022, 03:40:56 PM
Additionally, the 5678 stamping on the Alby replacement stock is *very* atypical.  The Albys typically didn't care enough to mark them at all except on very rare occasions.  I bet I don't have more than two or three photos of Sino-Banian carbines with replacement Alby stocks and #'s on them out of the many thousands of photos on my drive.  That's a neat little carbine!  Shame about the receiver cover, but it happens.  thumb1
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Weldrdave on November 04, 2022, 04:56:01 PM
Thanks RM!  thumb1. They are just the way I found them.   I found these 3 quite Interesting.  (why I didn't pass on them).  I made an offer which worked out to be $300.00 per rifle, Not including the NICS checks and all that BULL$#!T.  I've only shot the the last one here, 5678,   at 100 yards.  It was a typical 6" group spread on a full size human target,  I was happy with that.  thumb1.  I am an old guy with crappy vision also...  chuckles1
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Weldrdave on November 04, 2022, 05:02:02 PM
I also wanted to say, Thank you again for all the great Info here!  thumb1  I think you all know how much I appreciate your wisdom. 8)   I've purchased a few more rifles that were easy and I've followed the forum information you all put out to determine what they were.  These were a bit tricky.   ???   Thanks all!
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Bacarnal on November 07, 2022, 05:52:41 PM
Isn't that an Albanian magazine on the last one, also?
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: firstchoice on November 07, 2022, 06:34:28 PM
Quote from: Bacarnal on November 07, 2022, 05:52:41 PM
Isn't that an Albanian magazine on the last one, also?

Good eye, Bruce! I believe it is.

firstchoice
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Direct Connection on November 07, 2022, 08:47:34 PM
 Cool pickups Dave. Those trench guns have history behind them. Battlefield pickups  dance2 A story to tell :o Love the dark grease look and you know that baby smells like 50 year cosmoline. I mean you open your safe and its like heaven from the aroma.. clap1 Got a few myself. Not the Russian sneak but the old chi-com greasers  rofl2  Good job  8)
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Shane O Mack 76 on January 05, 2023, 06:52:27 PM
Hey Guys,

I’m new to this forum and this is my first SKS. Can someone help me date this rifle and tell about this proof marking?

(https://i.ibb.co/mbgW6Xp/81-CFEBC4-D336-41-EA-A17-E-FA522247-EBEB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CmDGhML)

(https://i.ibb.co/rHvs50p/F120-B7-FB-9071-4-B5-A-837-B-63-AEFD622-C56.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YhbZfQd)

(https://i.ibb.co/7kYbjbQ/76-A991-EE-A945-4369-8-B22-57491-C99-D919.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DrVLzLY)
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Phosphorus32 on January 06, 2023, 02:27:23 AM
Welcome!

The markings indicate that it’s a 14th year of production (1969), Type 56 (五六式), made at Arsenal 666. It should have a spike bayonet and a cleaning rod. Good score!

Nice ZPAP too  8) I recently grabbed one of those with the walnut furniture from my local gun shop.
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Shane O Mack 76 on January 06, 2023, 06:08:11 AM
@Phosphorus32
Thank you for your help. I thought it might be a 1969 model, but wasn’t sure. I got this for $370. I’ve already picked up a bayonet and cleaning rod. Just waiting for them to come in. Do you know anything about factory 666?

Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Phosphorus32 on January 06, 2023, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: Shane O Mack 76 on January 06, 2023, 06:08:11 AM
@Phosphorus32
Thank you for your help. I thought it might be a 1969 model, but wasn’t sure. I got this for $370. I’ve already picked up a bayonet and cleaning rod. Just waiting for them to come in. Do you know anything about factory 666?

Great price these days  thumb1

I don’t know anything about the location etc. of 666. It was clearly one of the low volume arsenals, since there are only five digits for the actual serial number after the year of production digits. In the 14th year at 666, the highest number we have in our serial number lists is around 3600, so a very low output Arsenal.
Title: Re: What do I have here?
Post by: Greasemonkey on January 07, 2023, 12:12:38 AM
There are a few documented.. maybe a dozen or so, pretty uncommon find for a first timer. and that one is in nice condition.. thumb1 the wear and usage on mine, who knows where or what it done in it's former life.   It may full well need an exorcism.. rofl2

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/2i7m8svejfom2hk/SAM_3702.JPG?dl=0)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/7x3gsn4r2ufbi2h/SAM_3703.JPG?dl=0)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/bx3iz8hgd2olcco/SAM_3705.JPG?dl=0)