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SKS Carbines => Unaltered SKS Rifles => Chinese SKS (Commercial) => Topic started by: XXXSKS on September 29, 2014, 12:45:52 AM
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(http://sks-files.com/Pictures/Commercial_Chinese/FAQ/SKS-30.jpg)
The first SKS AK mag rifle imported into the USA is the SKS-30. 1988 was the year. Rifles are not stamped in any special way. All are new production
(http://sks-files.com/Pictures/Commercial_Chinese/FAQ/NA_assault_carbine.jpg)
The Navy Arms Assault Carbine (Type 84) is the second SKS exported from China with AK mag capability. These rifles were modified from existing rifles. This rifle is the only import with the big three. AK mags, 16.5 inch barrel, and bayonet.
(http://sks-files.com/Pictures/Commercial_Chinese/FAQ/SKS_D.jpg)
The Midwest Ordnance “SKS-D” conversion. All of these rifles were modified for AK mag use here in the USA.
(http://sks-files.com/Pictures/Commercial_Chinese/FAQ/SKS_63.jpg)
The SKS 63 is the first AK mag SKS imported with a thumbhole stock. All were imported in 1988. Receivers are stamped 63. All are new production.
(http://sks-files.com/Pictures/Commercial_Chinese/FAQ/SKS_Sporter.jpg)
The pictured SKS Sporter is the final version of a series of SKSs imported between 1988 and 1993. Three versions have been seen. All Sporters were imported by one company. Labanu Inc. Ronkonkoma, NY. All are new production.
(http://sks-files.com/Pictures/Commercial_Chinese/FAQ/SKS_M.jpg)
This guys and gals is an SKS M. M stands for Monte Carlo stock. All are new production.
(http://sks-files.com/Pictures/Commercial_Chinese/FAQ/SKS_MC-5D.jpg)
The SKS MC-5D was made from existing rifles. This rifle is a conversion. It uses a standard style mag release and a completely neutered front sight block. You will be forgiven if you call this rifle an M. At least it has a Monte Carlo stock.
(http://sks-files.com/Pictures/Commercial_Chinese/FAQ/SKS_93.jpg)
This rifle was imported by two companies. CSI and B-West. The CSI version is the SKS NR and the B-West version is the SKS 93.
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You mean to tell me they aren't all "M's" and "D's"?!??!!!??????
chuckles1 chuckles1
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Great post...beautiful pics. Hopefully one day...some examples of these will be mine...but for now, drool1
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Great post...beautiful pics. Hopefully one day...some examples of these will be mine...but for now, drool1
You will get there someday
;)...................................Joe
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Thanks sir, fascinating write-up and photos. I guess AK mag dependability is like any of the others...depends on which you buy?
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I was at a local gun show this weekend, and came across a beat up SKS-M, the seller had it listed as an SKS-D for the low price of $800. After looking it over, I told the seller this is actually a M not a D, see right here stamped on the receiver. See it is a 16 inch barrel not a 20, monte carol stock, no bayonet, etc. He says NO it is a D I bought it brand new back in the 90s. I asked if he had any room on the price, and he said $795, I said good luck with your sale. thumb1
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I was at a local gun show this weekend, and came across a beat up SKS-M, the seller had it listed as an SKS-D for the low price of $800. After looking it over, I told the seller this is actually a M not a D, see right here stamped on the receiver. See it is a 16 inch barrel not a 20, monte carol stock, no bayonet, etc. He says NO it is a D I bought it brand new back in the 90s. I asked if he had any room on the price, and he said $795, I said good luck with your sale. thumb1
Well.........................................You know what they say about some old dogs
::)..........................................Joe
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Joe if you could only have one SKS that accepts AK mags which model would you choose?
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Joe if you could only have one SKS that accepts AK mags which model would you choose?
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:).............................Joe
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Thank's Joe - And the search for a "D" begins :)
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Updated Original post
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Sorry if this is a dead thread, but just found it after years of using the Weebly site.
Great and informative work, Joe!
I have a little gem for you, Hope it gives you a tickle!
Its an M, but as you see the stock is very different in several ways from the standard Monte Carlo
style which the "M" was most noted for.
The high comb and double cheek pad, thin wrist with an actual "knob", and the sculpted and very wide fore end and little bump-up to the front ferrule set it apart. Also the color, kind of a coffee brown,
Inside, the numbers match (1993 mfg), no-numbered TG, the gas tube has faint electro-pencilling,
and is a two-piece unit. The op rod has a step-down at the tappet end, and the tube has a smaller opening than standard.
The internal wood work is rougher than usual, as if the stock was a one-off and done partially by hand. It has a lot of the standard inletting mill marks, also.
Whatcha think? Interesting?
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(http://preview.ibb.co/dVi9x6/DSC_0001.jpg) (http://ibb.co/kvWJqR)
(http://preview.ibb.co/gG5YPm/DSC_0008.jpg) (http://ibb.co/fbn2H6)
(http://preview.ibb.co/h9BCH6/DSC_0022.jpg) (http://ibb.co/ctqiPm)
(http://preview.ibb.co/iUpzx6/DSC_0010.jpg) (http://ibb.co/cvJsH6)
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That's a neat find LK! Unfortunately, XXX is no longer with us (Sad news about xxxSKS aka Joe (http://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=2848.0).
He would have loved seeing this one though, it's wild. He was absolutely on top of anything commercial that was unusual, slightly different from the norm, or just downright odd. The community as a whole lost a wealth of knowledge with his passing, but thankfully he gave Power Surge a good portion of his files and data to carry the torch.
As an aside, we try and keep the weebly sites (www.SKSGuide.com) updated, but many are still works in progress. One day they will all be up to the level of the Chinese SKSGuide, but they are all not there yet. We also need to freshen the Chinese guide in a few minor points as new information has become available. The forums are definitely the best place to find the most current, up-to-date discussions. thumb1
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Ah, so the rumor was true........so sad!
Thanks for the posting, RM. I have thoroughly enjoyed the Weebly site, and have linked literally hundreds of SKS curious folks to it, for its depth and breadth of knowledge.
Mr. Joe is and will be missed greatly.
KTF
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Don't see Joe's threads get revived so often...that is a very neat gun KTF....nice to see you post here too.
I would love to see more of this beauty. :)
That stock is just too nice...might have been a prototype of the idea that became the MC-5D perhaps? It is probably too labor intensive to make them like that vs. what we normally see...so very interesting. clap1
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Bizarre stock!
I agree... Post more pics inside and out.
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Nice find! I do not have an origin of that particular stock, however I do have another M in the database with that same exact stock.
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Nice find! I do not have an origin of that particular stock, however I do have another M in the database with that same exact stock.
Great...another hole to fill, nice to see it isn't some oddball one off bubba job, but still. Now I covet one.
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Nice find! I do not have an origin of that particular stock, however I do have another M in the database with that same exact stock.
Power Surge, I believe I may have sent something to Joe years ago, when I first acquired it. Is there any way of knowing who submitted your example? I am trying to get a firm Idea about this little rifle's value. I will sell it or trade it, but want it to have its rightful place in the SKS pantheon, assuming it is authentic Chinese manufacture.
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. Later this week I intend to do a full photo shoot with lots of digital pics. Will post them ASAP.
Kermie
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The description of the inside of the stock being rougher than normal might make you think someone very talented made it....but the op rod business has my interest piqued. It may be an attempt at tuning the system for the shorter barrel like they did with the SKSS perhaps? This does have the short gas system from what I can see....correct?
I am tempted to take apart my Sporter to see if it has a different op rod as well....pretty sure it is the only op rod I have that hasn't gotten launched. rofl
It sure seems like it would likely be a prototype version of what eventually became the MC-5D....the amount of work put into the stock might have been deemed too intensive for what they could actually fetch for these back then. The AK mag release makes me wonder if these came after the MC-5D though....very interesting. I look forward to the pics. :)
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The description of the inside of the stock being rougher than normal might make you think someone very talented made it....but the op rod business has my interest piqued. It may be an attempt at tuning the system for the shorter barrel like they did with the SKSS perhaps? This does have the short gas system from what I can see....correct?
I am tempted to take apart my Sporter to see if it has a different op rod as well....pretty sure it is the only op rod I have that hasn't gotten launched. rofl
It sure seems like it would likely be a prototype version of what eventually became the MC-5D....the amount of work put into the stock might have been deemed too intensive for what they could actually fetch for these back then. The AK mag release makes me wonder if these came after the MC-5D though....very interesting. I look forward to the pics. :)
The op rod in my SKSNR that uses Ak mags with the short gas system is a carbon copy of a normal SKS dimension wise.. really the only way I've seen that they tune them is to open up the gas port up slightly. The NR looks to have a slightly larger gas port than a normal SKS. And, it looks like someone used a wood chisel and a pocket knife to do the final fitting on it also.
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Receiver markings please. :)
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See newer posts.
KTF
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Stock cutting/fitting don't look to bad.. :)
I was figuring a Dr. Hack'em up job like.......
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/cbo57okk9cah0ty/SAM_3083.JPG?dl=0)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/h1i8b516b2jmb7d/SAM_3084.JPG?dl=0)
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Nice find! I do not have an origin of that particular stock, however I do have another M in the database with that same exact stock.
Power Surge, I believe I may have sent something to Joe years ago, when I first acquired it. Is there any way of knowing who submitted your example? I am trying to get a firm Idea about this little rifle's value. I will sell it or trade it, but want it to have its rightful place in the SKS pantheon, assuming it is authentic Chinese manufacture.
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. Later this week I intend to do a full photo shoot with lots of digital pics. Will post them ASAP.
Kermie
It might be possible the pics I have are yours. I'll definitely be waiting on more detailed pics and we'll go from there!
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Stock cutting/fitting don't look to bad.. :)
I was figuring a Dr. Hack'em up job like.......
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/cbo57okk9cah0ty/SAM_3083.JPG?dl=0)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/h1i8b516b2jmb7d/SAM_3084.JPG?dl=0)
Somebody chiseled that with a screwdriver.
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Stock cutting/fitting don't look to bad.. :)
I was figuring a Dr. Hack'em up job like.......
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/cbo57okk9cah0ty/SAM_3083.JPG?dl=0)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/h1i8b516b2jmb7d/SAM_3084.JPG?dl=0)
Please say that isn't your NR?!?! If it was a screwdriver...I think they might have even used a phillips....wow.
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That is the NR...I think it was made the year of the drunken monkey or the year of the hungry rat... whatever 1994 was in China. rofl2
It's like one of them old Ferrari 308GTS kit cars.. looks good on the outside, till you pop the hatch and see a VW 1600cc, when you were hoping for a F106 AB V8 with 4 Weber carbs. cry1
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That is the NR...I think it was made the year of the drunken monkey or the year of the hungry rat... whatever 1994 was in China. rofl2
It's like one of them old Ferrari 308GTS kit cars.. looks good on the outside, till you pop the hatch and see a VW 1600cc, when you were hoping for a F106 AB V8 with 4 Weber carbs. cry1
rofl chuckles1 rofl2
Kind of makes me not want one as bad now. :)
Is that the NR norm? They should have at least given the children sharper knives. That kind of blows my mind a little...what was left of it. It makes my Sporter look like the aforementioned Ferrari....but without the bug power. I wonder if my DB was made by a guy who transferred later to the NR plant to whittle your stock. I kinda feel bad for being one of the enablers that caused you to pick that one up. I wouldn't kick it out of the collection, but now I am not as jazzed to locate one vs. some of the other weird stuff they came up with in the Clinton era.
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Well.. one thing in it's defense, while it is ugly inside, the important thing is it just plain works. I took 6 rounds of 5 different types of ammo, mixed them all up and had the included magazine loaded randomly, all 30 went bang with no misfeeds or issues. So I figure 6 Yugo, 6 Wolf, 6 Brown Bear, 6 RAS and 6 WPA hollow point all fed randomly from one magazine without a hiccup, I'd keep it. :)
And it's actually not terrible to shoot, much like my MAK90 with the bunghole stock. About the only thing I have or need to do, is replace the recoil spring. I might even consider finding 20rd mags... I kind of favor the tanker mag look rofl
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Well.. one thing in it's defense, while it is ugly inside, the important thing is it just plain works. I took 6 rounds of 5 different types of ammo, mixed them all up and had the included magazine loaded randomly, all 30 went bang with no misfeeds or issues. So I figure 6 Yugo, 6 Wolf, 6 Brown Bear, 6 RAS and 6 WPA hollow point all fed randomly from one magazine without a hiccup, I'd keep it. :)
And it's actually not terrible to shoot, much like my MAK90 with the bunghole stock. About the only thing I have or need to do, is replace the recoil spring. I might even consider finding 20rd mags... I kind of favor the tanker mag look rofl
I haven't fired my Sporter yet...it has been a year...but we burned all summer so outside was like Chernobyl most of the pleasant months. I did realize last week I had it loaded with HP Wolf, and was concerned...reloaded with FMJ just so I wouldn't be let down. Nice to hear that it should perform like it's NR cousin with about anything. My main complaint is it doesn't load any easier than duckbills...might even be worse since I am trying to baby the stock when trying. I have since shelved the thumbhole in favor of a whittled up ATI Strikeforce that the mags slip in like butter...and for the preservation of the stock....I am almost convinced it was only deflowered by the factory...if at all....but that is kind of shocking about the 'routing' of yours...mind blowing even. The NRs seemed to have nicer wood used, I have seen so many Sporters with wood repairs that I would have thought the NRs got the special trees. I also like the lack of the truck bed liner grip on the NR.
Pat hooked me up with a couple 30 rounders, one with the ridge down the back one without...and of course the standard 5 rounder. I really want to try that one out, but have had so many others pressing for attention it keeps getting left home. I have some trials to run for the new Marcus adapter, and thought it might be fun to compare the two....so she might get a little action soon...finally. Hopefully the mini monster truck will come out of the shop so I can make it to the local shooting spot without having to show up in a friggin Subaru.
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Receiver markings please. :)
If that post is addressed to me, here ya go
SKS M 7.62x39 MM CBA VA BCH VA
MADE IN, CHINA BY NORINCO 93 6262x
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Bizarre stock!
I agree... Post more pics inside and out.
Obliging with four more.
I have a few more closeups of the inetting if need.
KTF
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(http://preview.ibb.co/ckj4VR/DSC_0027.jpg) (http://ibb.co/mGiL4m)
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My chopped receiver M kit arrived today.
The stock is extremely clean with only a couple of very minor blemishes, the parts are a little worn and obviously well used, but nice.
The stub shows no serial number, but the bolt and carrier match. The the only flaw I see is a rough
weld on the left side of the trigger group, at the rear where the trigger guard joins the frame. the bluing looks original on it, so possibly a factory fix. All in all, it was a great buy , in my mind.
Comments/observations welcomed.
KTF
Pics:
(http://image.ibb.co/gqdsKm/IMG_0251.jpg) (http://ibb.co/kLgZX6)
(http://image.ibb.co/bDh8s6/IMG_0252.jpg) (http://ibb.co/iH56em)
(http://image.ibb.co/mqwOQR/IMG_0253.jpg) (http://ibb.co/i8uA5R)
(http://image.ibb.co/mxygC6/IMG_0254.jpg) (http://ibb.co/dyZzzm)
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That's a late Sporter, with an M stock. Sporter and M are the same action, but you can see it's stamped SPORTER.
Looks like some nice parts. Those AK mag trigger groups bring good money because they are hard to find not part of a gun.
That gun could be repaired if you really wanted to put the effort into it.
BTW the original serial was 93 28367.
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Power Surge
As always, thank you for your information. Always helpful, sir!
The receiver and other parts have been listed on Gunbroker. The kind of precision work to bring that receiver back is well beyond me, and probably expensive to hire out, so....selling as is. Hopefully someone can make good use it it.
I did add some better pics of the Mystery gunstock inletting, also.
KTF
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Those short gas tubes and pistons also bring a bit of a premium like the trigger groups do. They don't come up very often and a person who might want to bubba, yet retain their original parts would love to have a spare. I pounced on the first one I saw after searching for six months....and traded way more than it was worth just to get it off the market before anyone discovered what it was....the seller was aware what he had...darn it.
I have been kind of coveting one of these M stocks to put on my 92 Sporter....let me know if this ends up getting parted out. :)
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Justin:
I have indeed listed all of the parts of the chopped Sporter, both on EBay and Gunbroker.
The trigger group has sold, but everything else is still up for awhile, at least. I am selling a sweet NR, and have listed the "mystery" M as a "one of a kind", more to get it out in the public eye and check interest, but it IS for sale or trade, unofficially. I would trade it for a nice D and cash on your end, but no crazy amount. I want both parties in a trade get what they want, and keep it in the SKS family. Might be interested in other trades, so ask away! Worst I can say is no, but then I'll say, "What can you counter?
Check EBay under SKS gun parts, and SKS rifle parts for the stock and other components, the bolt and carrier as a unit, the barrel stub and cleaning rod. All under my lkermit3749 user name.
Gunbroker has the NR and the mystery M, under the screen name LKermit.
I wish I had seen your post much sooner, but there is still several hours on the NR, and up to two or three days on the rest.
I would love to work with you to get what you need, so if you like you can text me at 405-519-3352. Also on Facebook Larry Gilmore, Yukon, Oklahoma. Facebook Instant Messenger.
I can send pics as well, so let me know f I can help. I can do PayPal and USPS money orders.
Thanks!
Larry Gilmore
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I checked that out...and then the relisting. It escapes my price range...I didn't realize the reason we seemed a little high on the hog was due to the wife not getting the gift cards out the the family until yesterday. Now we anxiously await the W-2s to come in.
Best of luck. :)
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Justin, I still have several of the pieces for sale. Will list them later.
The Missing link stock is now listed on Gunbroker. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/733008555
Please remove if disallowed. I have sold the rest of the rifle separately, since it was not tracable to the stock anyway, but would love to see this in the hands of someone here. After all, you folks are credited with fanning the flame that has led me to this point of the SKS legacy.
I am open to trade offers, plus some cash from your end, if we can agree on an approximate value, because my wife and I are preparing for a move back to our home state, this spring.
Many of the stub receiver parts are still with me, as is every part of the mystery rifle except the stock, hand guard and gas tube. I have already sold the barreled receiver. All its other mechanical parts are still for sale.
I will work with you, and am PayPal ready.
Thanks to all.
Kermie
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I think I found out what the mystery stock is. I believe it is a variety of the SKS stocks Fajen made. If you google Fajen SKS and scroll through the pictures you will see one that strongly resembles it. Don't bother clicking on it because it leads you to the otherboards site of unlinked photos....but you can see a pretty good look on google, for some reason it is still visible.
From what I have seen they vary quite a bit from stock to stock. They are pretty rare. I believe they might have dumped unfinished 'stock' on the market...they pop up every now and then, nobody knows who made them...I have a pretty good idea. This one likely was one of the ones I saw sell years ago for not much, the owner probably did all the uneven whittling and put in his own crossbolt. (Another thing I have only seen Fajen wood stocks utilize) Then finished it. Other than internally, it looks pretty nice with a gun in it. :)
The one mentioned on the otherboards sold for $115 shipped.
I believe Fajen joined up with these guys https://www.macongunstocks.com. There is a lengthy discussion about it over there...seems as if they might even still make these.I didn't want to read into it too much....missing photos bug me.
Mystery solved? dntknw1
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https://www.google.com/search?q=Fajen+SKS+stocks&client=firefox-b&sa=X&biw=1148&bih=596&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=mzGBqhR5r1egtM%253A%252Ct5a4EMZPcTu58M%252C_&usg=__UqmMazmsZdDcyjQSMeexIFtPOLA%3D&ved=0ahUKEwj1mfW_nMTYAhUE9YMKHT-yDqUQ9QEILzAC#imgrc=mzGBqhR5r1egtM:
Is this it? It does have some similarities, but without a look at the Fajen inletting work,I will say, No Cigar. My side by side pics pretty much show the same tool marks and hand-cut wavy cuts as the standard Chinese carvers used, except the mass produced stocks and the thumb hole stocks were mostly much better quality.
Thanks for a very interesting angle and information. I will follow up to see where it may lead.The very last thing I desire is to cheat or mislead anyone.
Kermie
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Yep that's the one I saw that was the most similar. They seemed to do a few different designs. My 49 actually had one the previous owner separated from it that was one of those rainbow stained types.
The reason I suspect it is one of theirs is the inletting, several similar to this, but not identical...have been sold in unfinished form...still needing inletting as well as finishing the wood. The Macon outfit that Fajen seems to have joined up with doesn't offer SKS stocks, I suspect there was some old stock that may have been sold off in bulk, or just a fire sale and a few made it into the wild. The beaver chew inletting on yours makes me think someone did the best they could with what they had to work with. I know I would have a tough time getting that inletting right.
The one in the google pic doesn't have the larger cheekrest, but it does have the Sporter type fat forend...and they all seem to use the crossbolt. The way yours looks doesn't seem to jive with China doing it. That crossbolt section is the roughest area...which is a crucial area for proper fitting. It seems as if they were going to go all out and make such a fancy version of a stock they were already making they would have done at least a typical job on the inletting too.
I suppose you could send the Macon guys photos and ask if Fajen remembers this type and/or if he suspects it is one of his.
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Yep that's the one I saw that was the most similar. They seemed to do a few different designs. My 49 actually had one the previous owner separated from it that was one of those rainbow stained types.
The reason I suspect it is one of theirs is the inletting, several similar to this, but not identical...have been sold in unfinished form...still needing inletting as well as finishing the wood. The Macon outfit that Fajen seems to have joined up with doesn't offer SKS stocks, I suspect there was some old stock that may have been sold off in bulk, or just a fire sale and a few made it into the wild. The beaver chew inletting on yours makes me think someone did the best they could with what they had to work with. I know I would have a tough time getting that inletting right.
The one in the google pic doesn't have the larger cheekrest, but it does have the Sporter type fat forend...and they all seem to use the crossbolt. The way yours looks doesn't seem to jive with China doing it. That crossbolt section is the roughest area...which is a crucial area for proper fitting. It seems as if they were going to go all out and make such a fancy version of a stock they were already making they would have done at least a typical job on the inletting too.
I suppose you could send the Macon guys photos and ask if Fajen remembers this type and/or if he suspects it is one of his.
Grrrrreat idea. Will do so and share!
Kermie
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Justin, your tip was more productive than either one of us could have reasonably expected.
I made contact with a very nice man who, in the past has worked for both E. C. Bishop and Rhinehart Fajen. He still works in Missouri, for yet another stock making company, and agreed to do an interview, and is available most any time. He stated that both firms are currently owned by Larry Potterfield, and neither company is still in business.
I am planning a trip to Missouri in the next few weeks to pick up a rather large electric riser chair to aid my disability, so I might be able to meet up with someone who could do a proper, maybe even a video (!) interview. If I am able to work out details, I would love to get this done.
The man seemed agreeable to do this, and was very friendly and affable. I sent an e-mail early this morning, and he replied with a phone call within four hours of my dispatch. I feel like he has all the details, and is itching to set them straight. What a golden opportunity for the right person or persons.
If anyone would be available in the Harrisonville, Peculiar, or Belton Missouri area, please get in touch with me ASAP. This is just too good to miss! 405-519-3352 or lkermit61@gmail.com
A hop(e)ful Green Frog.
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Cool!
Glad I suggested it...hopefully that will pan out and we can learn a little. :)
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Cool deal...
So, a fajen eh... I saw one on ebay like 7 years ago that was a walnut and a completely different design. I also recall it needing 'some' finishing inside and out. I wanted it badly at the time. Cool stock!
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Add this to your photos
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Add this to your photos
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Thanks Thor. Unfortunately that's just a bubba'd SKS-30. :(
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Since most of us seem to have a bit of time on our hands, looking through old posts has become common. I am resurrecting this one because of my observations.
I was messing around with my Midwest Ordnance SKS "D" and found that I'd probably agree with the late XXXSKS that the "D" would be the one I went to for an SKS that takes AK47 mags. Reasoning, the mag well is cut so as to take ALL AK47 mags, up to, and including Soviet/Chicom bakelite and US Magpul plastic which the others won't. I have a wide variety of steel mags I've collected over the years, including 40 rounders, and they all fit. And two 40 rounders are easier to carry than a 75 round drum. Just my opinion. Cheers, Bruce.
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I gotta say, the (large) mag fed SKS does look pretty sexy.
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I have a D, it's ok I suppose but I prefer a standard SKS ,it's much handier.
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I have a D, it's ok I suppose but I prefer a standard SKS ,it's much handier.
No doubt. With a 5 round mag capacity limit, running a removable 5 round mag that sticks out as far as a 30 round mag seems to have no value.
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I have a D, it's ok I suppose but I prefer a standard SKS ,it's much handier.
No doubt. With a 5 round mag capacity limit, running a removable 5 round mag that sticks out as far as a 30 round mag seems to have no value.
It has nothing to do with the mag limit, the mag limit is like a speed limit. It's just a pita awkward thing to shoot from any position but standing.
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I have a D, it's ok I suppose but I prefer a standard SKS ,it's much handier.
No doubt. With a 5 round mag capacity limit, running a removable 5 round mag that sticks out as far as a 30 round mag seems to have no value.
It has nothing to do with the mag limit, the mag limit is like a speed limit. It's just a pita awkward thing to shoot from any position but standing.
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Okay, "running a removable x round mag that sticks out as far as a 30 round mag seems to have no value."
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I have a D, it's ok I suppose but I prefer a standard SKS ,it's much handier.
I like the "D"'s or "SKS-30's" for their designed use of AK mags. If I only need a 10rd capacity SKS then I agree with "any military or commercial std. capacity SKS will do". As a crossover to high cap mags, (using the reliable and plentiful AK mag, combined with the reliability of the std. SKS), the original SKS-30 is hard to beat.
It's all in the "what you need at the time", I suppose. If you only need 10rds., slip in a 10rd detachable AK mag. and shoot bench rest all day. When you need more, use any of the very reliable and durable 20, 30, or 40rd. surplus mags. I like having that choice. thumb1
Personally, I won't be modifying my SKS-30 stock to accept drum mags. But I have AK's/RPK's for that purpose.
Post up some pics of your "D", Cupid! Always interested to see pics of the "D"!
firstchoice
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I have a D, it's ok I suppose but I prefer a standard SKS ,it's much handier.
I like the "D"'s or "SKS-30's" for their designed use of AK mags. If I only need a 10rd capacity SKS then I agree with "any military or commercial std. capacity SKS will do". As a crossover to high cap mags, (using the reliable and plentiful AK mag, combined with the reliability of the std. SKS), the original SKS-30 is hard to beat.
It's all in the "what you need at the time", I suppose. If you only need 10rds., slip in a 10rd detachable AK mag. and shoot bench rest all day. When you need more, use any of the very reliable and durable 20, 30, or 40rd. surplus mags. I like having that choice. thumb1
Personally, I won't be modifying my SKS-30 stock to accept drum mags. But I have AK's/RPK's for that purpose.
Post up some pics of your "D", Cupid! Always interested to see pics of the "D"!
firstchoice
(https://i.imgur.com/3e8wm8b.jpg)
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I have a D, it's ok I suppose but I prefer a standard SKS ,it's much handier.
I like the "D"'s or "SKS-30's" for their designed use of AK mags. If I only need a 10rd capacity SKS then I agree with "any military or commercial std. capacity SKS will do". As a crossover to high cap mags, (using the reliable and plentiful AK mag, combined with the reliability of the std. SKS), the original SKS-30 is hard to beat.
It's all in the "what you need at the time", I suppose. If you only need 10rds., slip in a 10rd detachable AK mag. and shoot bench rest all day. When you need more, use any of the very reliable and durable 20, 30, or 40rd. surplus mags. I like having that choice. thumb1
Personally, I won't be modifying my SKS-30 stock to accept drum mags. But I have AK's/RPK's for that purpose.
Post up some pics of your "D", Cupid! Always interested to see pics of the "D"!
firstchoice
(https://i.imgur.com/3e8wm8b.jpg)
Cupid, is it possible for you to post some clear close-up pics of the left side of the receiver? I'd like to see what arsenal it was made at and the general make-up of the Chinese characters, if any, and the layout and method of serial numbering of the Canadian "D". Thanks! thumb1
Your "D" doesn't appear to have a riveted bayo lug or the removeable bayonet. (The special removable bayonet that came on all the 1988-imported "D"'s that came into the United States. They were actually named the "SKS-30" by the importer; Beta Arms.) And yours appears to be a short lug, threaded barrel instead of the new-mfg'd pinned barrel receivers on the USA imports. Stock finish is also different. I'd definitely like to see a complete layout of pics on your rifle.
firstchoice
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There are no factory marks or Chinese characters. The bayonet screw is removable but peened to stop it coming unscrewed. The look of the finish varies according to the light.
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Didn't, a few years back, we determine that these were indeed oddly built using pinned barrels inside a threaded sleeve? It seems like they may have used NOS parts and built them for somebody's market...and they ended up in Canada?
I could be completely insane...but I could swear I remember that.
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Didn't, a few years back, we determine that these were indeed oddly built using pinned barrels inside a threaded sleeve? It seems like they may have used NOS parts and built them for somebody's market...and they ended up in Canada?
I could be completely insane...but I could swear I remember that.
I swapped another D for the one I have now, that one had he bayonet lug ground off and a crappy soft wood stock when I originally got it. It was dumped in Canada when the US stopped allowing firearm imports from China. The one in the pictures has a bolt carrier with a stripper clip guide and was definitely made for another rifle, the one I had previously did not have one.