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Title: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on January 23, 2016, 11:41:49 PM
Here is the compilation of all the import stamps I can find on the Chinese type 56 SKS.  The photos are all clickable thumbnails that will grow to full size when you click them.  There are 100's of them out there, so this list is by no means exhaustive.  The main batch of these were brought in from 1984 through 1994, though recently a secondary batch has been imported from 2012 through 2015. 

If you have a Chinese import stamp that isn't shown here, please post up a photo and I'll add it here.  thumb1

Photos from various auction sites and internet postings are used under 17 U.S. Code § 107, fair use, not for profit educational purposes.  If any of the photos in this post are yours and you explicitly do not want them shown, please contact me.
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Power Surge on January 24, 2016, 12:31:48 AM
Do you need pics off any of my commercials?
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on January 24, 2016, 12:38:02 AM
I knew it was a bunch, but...  :o

Nice work dude. 
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Phosphorus32 on January 24, 2016, 07:04:45 AM
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on January 24, 2016, 12:38:02 AM
I knew it was a bunch, but...  :o

Nice work dude.

+100

Holy horse shingles batman  :o  :))
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on January 24, 2016, 10:45:16 AM
Quote from: Power Surge on January 24, 2016, 12:31:48 AM
Do you need pics off any of my commercials?

I figured we'd stick the commercials in the commercial section under their own thread.  I know XXXSKS has many (if not most) of them covered in the guide.  Putting them all on one page is a nice quick reference thought.  Any photos you have are going to be a great help as I only have a few I think.  thumb1
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Power Surge on January 24, 2016, 11:09:17 AM
Quote from: running-man on January 24, 2016, 10:45:16 AM
Quote from: Power Surge on January 24, 2016, 12:31:48 AM
Do you need pics off any of my commercials?

I figured we'd stick the commercials in the commercial section under their own thread.  I know XXXSKS has many (if not most) of them covered in the guide.  Putting them all on one page is a nice quick reference thought.  Any photos you have are going to be a great help as I only have a few I think.  thumb1

Oh ok, I saw the labanau sporter in your list above, so just assumed it was all chinese in this list.
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on January 24, 2016, 11:12:00 AM
Yeah, this list (w/o the photos) is what I've got for the SKS Survey.  It has commercial models stuff in there like the Labanau Sporters and Clayco M8s.  I'll get a commercial thread going as soon as I finish fleshing this one out with the info I have.  thumb1
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on February 01, 2016, 04:11:34 PM
Still fleshing this list out, I have 35 photos up and catalogued.  Found out some good info about CJA out of Southfield, Michigan just now that I'll soon add.

I'm drawing a blank on any COMPASSECO stamps.  I know I've seen them becaue I have the mark writen down, but no photo evidence to show with it.  If anyone has a COMPASSECO imported gun and wants to share a photo of both sides of the receiver, I'm all up for it!  thumb1
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: firstchoice on February 06, 2016, 10:20:22 AM
Just curious, I don't know if you have additional photos or background on #36:

CJA #3, CJA Equipment Import Export, Inc. out of Southfield, Michigan:
CJA SFLD. MICH.
S-K-S 7.62 MADE IN CHINA
Type: Stamp
Location: Unknown Rear Receiver
Notes:They made an interesting abbreviation of SKS on this stamp.  I've never seen anything similar.

(http://sks-files.com/Pictures/Chinese/TQ2/1600426_import_stamp.jpg)

  The way the receiver dimpled like it did, do you suppose it was a stamped receiver SKS? Heavy stamps on milled receivers don't usually dimple like that. (unless they REALLY got crazy with the hammering?) Just a thought. Could be why we mostly see electric-penciled info on Chinese Stamped Receiver SKS?


  firstchoice
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on February 06, 2016, 11:41:50 PM
Finally 'finished' with this list.  Darn near 100 stamps from just what little ole me has collected since 2014 or so.  Not bad even if I do say so myself!  thumb1

At any rate, FC the gun this one came from is an oddball in and of itself.  Arsenal stamp /?2\.  We argued about whether it was a /546\, /526\, /946\ etc.  In the end it got a /?2\ designation because we simply don't know.  I'd love to see one of these out of the stock.

Here are additional photos for you to look at.  Looks like a milled (or perhaps cast with a milled finish) receiver to me though. 

(http://sks-files.com/Pictures/Chinese/TQ2/1600426_arsenal_stamp.jpg)
(http://sks-files.com/Pictures/Chinese/TQ2/1600426_left_center.jpg)
(http://sks-files.com/Pictures/Chinese/TQ2/1600426_right_center.jpg)
(http://sks-files.com/Pictures/Chinese/TQ2/1600426_import_stamp.jpg)
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: firstchoice on February 08, 2016, 05:41:46 AM
 That's quite a list, RM! I opened this Sticky thread and the pics just came dropping down, and down.... thumb1  Excellent reference Sticky!

  I agree with you on #35 being a milled receiver. The close up pic looks like there's deformation on that stamp, but who knows if it's from the stamp or an odd pic angle?

  That #35 arsenal stamp is quite an oddball. If I look real hard, I think I can squeeze out a /1916\, too.  thankyou1  :)

  firstchoice
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Justin Hell on February 09, 2016, 06:28:22 AM
I am seeing /916\...
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Power Surge on February 09, 2016, 11:20:29 AM
Based on the way the Chinese use the "broken leg" method on these stamps, I'd say it's 946.
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on February 29, 2016, 02:34:53 PM
Found some good info on Valley gun that ties it directly to Interstate Arms Corp out of Billerica, MA.   thumb1

When this whole ride is over, we're going to find out that there is only like 2 import places in the entire country and they are both owned by the same guy!  chuckles1
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on May 17, 2016, 03:16:08 PM
Added another 5 import stamps.  We are now at 100 "known" stamps and I still have another 3 or 4 to input.  thumb1
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Phosphorus32 on May 17, 2016, 04:42:39 PM
Nice work RM! Amazing how many importers there are.   thumb1


Quote from: running-man on February 29, 2016, 02:34:53 PM
When this whole ride is over, we're going to find out that there is only like 2 import places in the entire country and they are both owned by the same guy!  chuckles1

Kind of like this  ???  :o

(http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z475/phosphorus32/Phylogenetic%20tree%20rats.jpg) (http://s1191.photobucket.com/user/phosphorus32/media/Phylogenetic%20tree%20rats.jpg.html)
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Greasemonkey on May 17, 2016, 05:07:30 PM
Tha man is an import stamp stud... thumb1
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Greasemonkey on May 20, 2016, 01:26:25 AM
Just throwing this at the wall and seeing what sticks, I've been worrying the piss outta RM about this the past day or two :) .. so here it is for the publics eyes  :o

C.J.A.  China Jing An exports/imports, was/is owned by the Peoples Armed Police,  near as I can tell in late 80's, '88-'89 the ATF busted them, the Chinese owned importers, for importing full auto Korean Aks and trying to sell them.

Ironically... this was roughly the time..'89ish time frame... China Trade International Inc, the C&A, C8A stamped ones in Va Beach changed their name to Delta Investment Group Inc. or D.I.G.   Now, this begs the question, how many others did this, and was the name change to avoid investigation. Or their import company shut down, so they opened a new one. Some of the American import companies were Chinese owned, sponsored, whatever the term is, if the ATF shut one down, did they open another and export and imported under another name, maybe this explains the Norinco explosion in the late '80s, they were few and far between till this point.

And, I still cant help but wonder is there some kind of correlation between CJA Southfield MI and C&A Va Beach Va, maybe it's just the C*A similarities and there is nothing there, I don't know..

GLNIC was an import company in the US owned by... the Peoples Liberation Army, along with the GLINC stamp, they can also sport the CGA stamp, their main rein in the US seems to have ended somewhere around 1989, although some small amounts later do show up. The letters "CGA" can be found looking like a prefix on the serial number on early-import GLNIC AK47 rifles, and it appears that CGA was the exporter for most of the pre-1989 GLNIC imported AK47s and SKS rifles.
Here is the officers and such..
GLNIC Corporation of America
10501 Valley Blvd Suite 230
El Monte, CA 91731
Registered Agent: Jun Liu
Officers: Jun Liu, CEO/Sec.
Shao Chun LIU, CFO
Directors: Gen Bao Zone, Shao Chun LIU, Jun Liu

Thoughts or maybe ideas.. something, someone has run across, even trivial bits, feel free to PM it, we will see where it leads. thumb1

We need like.... a Little Orphan Annie secret decoder ring for these fricken import facilities.. Be sure to drink your Ovaltine...doh1 pullhair1
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Greasemonkey on May 24, 2016, 01:08:49 AM
Well I found a chart like P32 wanted... only it shows the Chinese export side.

Washington Post March 1993

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/none/chart_zpsgjlz4z0x.jpg) (http://sks-files.com/user/C13mechanic/media/none/chart_zpsgjlz4z0x.jpg.html)


Ok....CJA... RM I don't know if it helps...maybe not, but anyways :) ... it seems CJA either had a partner or pulled a C&A-D.I.G. name switch-a-roo near the end..

Throw out the SKS importer aspect for a second. I got to digging into M-14s, and it leads to yet another importer... IDE of Southfield Michigan. CJA seems to have handled the house brand Norinco Chinese, I.D.E. seems to lean more towards the Poly side.  If one were to venture to check, most IDE M14s are Polytech, most CJA marked M14s are Norinco, at least in the dozen or so examples I saw.

Almost looks like this one sports both.

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/none/post-1-126814544257_zpsvthdqpvd.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/none/post-1-126814544257_zpsvthdqpvd.jpg.html)

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Lee Emerson ... Importer CJA (Southfield, MI) imported Chinese rifles for a short time just prior to September 13, 1994. The stamping CJA SLFD MICH appears on some Norinco rifles and the marking IDE USA SLFD MICH appears on some Polytech Industries receivers. CJA imported the best looking Chinese M14 rifles into the United States.

Even some Aks are found stamped I.D.E.,

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/none/wm_3014623_zpsncnenjm1.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/none/wm_3014623_zpsncnenjm1.jpg.html)

I did not find any I.D.E. stamped SKSs, but there maybe yet another importer, hiding in the wild. After all, they, Norincos and Polytech SKSs, were flowing in with the rest of the Chinese like the Aks and M14s.

Makes about as much sense as a football bat and is about clear as mud ain't it. senil1
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Phosphorus32 on May 24, 2016, 03:27:49 AM
Great find on the Chinese Military-Industrial Complex chart GM!  thumb1

I still kinda like my tree rat version though  chuckles1
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on May 24, 2016, 08:23:34 AM
Pretty cool...  Even lists Norinco as company MAKING commercial exports and Poly as not.   Also looks like norinco was/is exporting everything made at the two far right coloumns.   thumb1


Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Greasemonkey on May 24, 2016, 12:45:54 PM
Now things get wonky :-\   

Two IDE import stamps  :o  from two separate states.  But both are Polytech made weapons, the Mclean Va is a Polytech Hunter Ak, other is a Polytech Mak90.

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/none/2665043_04_norinco_milled_receiver_hunter_640_zpsoi8dhh4x.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/none/2665043_04_norinco_milled_receiver_hunter_640_zpsoi8dhh4x.jpg.html)(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/none/wm_3014623_zpsncnenjm1.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/none/wm_3014623_zpsncnenjm1.jpg.html)

So, lets make some brains smoke thumb1, maybe these are the same.

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/none/MAK903_zpsav8fbx8e.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/none/MAK903_zpsav8fbx8e.jpg.html)(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/none/importer_zpsvukoravo.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/none/importer_zpsvukoravo.jpg.html)

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/none/index_zps25ydqlr7.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/none/index_zps25ydqlr7.jpg.html)(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/none/acff354_zpsxm04u0yr.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/none/acff354_zpsxm04u0yr.jpg.html)

Is it not possible to have 2 IDE import/distributors in two different states, that handles Polytech, then under the same umbrella corp one that handles Norinco, CJA and C&A. I think the J and the & were done to break or hide this pattern, make it seem there was more importers than there were or C&A switched to Southfield Mich, became CJA. after the D.I.G. name change.     

Something is there.....something connects these....somewhere, somehow.   OH...my brain..  Besplode
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Greasemonkey on May 24, 2016, 05:45:17 PM
And the rabbit hole continues deeper, Wonderland sucks.. :)   I now know I should have taken the blue pill thumb1  chuckles1
this blibbit is from 2013...found here, http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=141514&page=2

Quote
The importation stamp has been slightly misinterpreted in a lot of sources--most ending up on the internet--but this is why I don't mind import stamps. They can sometimes tell some pretty neat stories.

"CJA" was not, according to Sui Chan, its president, owned by China Jing An (also seen as China Jingan, China Jin An, China Jin'an, China Jing Ahn, and other variations). Chan insisted that they were separate, and China Jin An did not run his business, but that he was just a foreign importer who set up shop in America to make money. There were several such import companies set up throughout the U.S., bringing in arms and ammo. Chan did openly admit that he did a lot of business with China Jing An, but the Southfield,* MI business owner denied any direct link with the Chinese exporters. [*Not Smithfield, as is stated in one online source ... Southfield is a Detroit suburb.]

At least one of the Chinese importers of Norinco and other arms (can't recall his name now) was a major contributor to the Clinton campaign from Atlanta. He became close enough to be invited to "insider" events where he was able to talk with the president. It's my guess that, thinking the U.S. worked the way things did in China, these political payoffs would get the government to look the other way. If so, it didn't work.

Most of the firearms that CJA imported from China Jing An did originally come from China Northern Industrial Corporation ("Norinco") and from Polytech, the major supplier to the Chinese military. So we have CJA, the allegedly independent importer; China Jing An, the exporter; and two, or more, manufacturers. The majority of what CJA (and the other companies in the US) brought in were legal AK-47 and SKS rifles, plus various Norinco copies of Tokarevs, etc. They also brought in tons of ammo. The feds were more than a little alarmed that American citizens were able to by this many arms, of this sort, at affordable prices. In a later sting operation, they rounded up a number of principals from other importers and charged them with bringing in full-auto AKs and other weapons with the intention of selling them to gangs.

CJA does not seem to have been part of that sting (Operation Dragon Fire), but various sources claim they'd also tried to sell illegal weapons to gangs. By the time of that sting, CJA was not doing as well financially as its counterparts in California, New Jersey, Atlanta, and elsewhere--I'm guessing because the economy in that part of the country was not doing very well at all. In addition to claiming that China Jing An was exporting full-auto weapons to US importers (run by Chinese), the U.S. also claimed that China was selling materials to Iran that would further their ability to build nuclear weapons. The result was a shut down of arms exports from China. Most of the Chinese importers managed to flee the country and avoided arrest.

But why is China Jing An of interest, whether or not they ran CJA in Michigan? The answer is that they were a commercial arm set up by The People's Armed Police, under the umbrella of The People's Liberation Army. The PAP was, for example, charged with quelling riots, and it was they who were in the tanks at Tiananmen Square when the student protests were launched. The objective of China Jing An was to make enough money exporting arms that they could upgrade their own equipment--something that they did fairly well.

Most of what they exported and sold were new firearms manufactured by Norinco, Polytech, and ammo manufacturers, but a few of the arms that they shipped out came from their own stocks of outdated surplus. This SKS was most likely a rifle that came from their stores of police rifles that were obsolete, and that they wanted to upgrade. There were a few, but not many, of these Sino-Soviets that were in the mix. The overwhelming majority of the SKSs exported by them were later-manufacture Norincos.


Ok, here is info on Operation Dragonfire..
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996-05-24/news/9605240246_1_nuclear-weapons-us-china-relationship-chinese-manufactured
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Operation-Dragon-Fire-3140868.php
http://www.conservapedia.com/Norinco
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on November 02, 2016, 03:13:10 PM
Found a second Compasseco stamp.  Still looking for Compasseco #1 stamped on both sides of the receiver, I know it exists as I have it in horribly blurry photos that aren't even worth posting into this list.
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on November 02, 2016, 09:10:13 PM
Never heard of it.    :o
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Power Surge on February 19, 2017, 11:30:43 AM
Just noticed that my MO SKS-D has the #73 IACO stamp on it. Funny thing is, it's EXACTLY like the stamp in the picture... with the multiple strikes in the same pattern, lol.
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: firstchoice on December 16, 2017, 05:10:38 AM
RM, what are your thoughts on this DIG import stamp on a Type 56? I'm not understanding the 5 "L"s struck over the top line of the stamp, but the rest seems to be the same? (#53, 1st DIG stamp)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W5Umw5mDyNdE5HOMsTyqI4DAdFnRv_5T/view (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W5Umw5mDyNdE5HOMsTyqI4DAdFnRv_5T/view)

Just ran across it and was curious.

The link to the thread on this rifle is: http://www.the 'other' boards/smf/index.php?topic=146806.0 (http://www.SKSBoards.com/smf/index.php?topic=146806.0)

The other rifle listed on that thread has the early, (#84), 1st  KSI import stamp.

firstchoice

(Edit: RM edited this post to fix the URL)
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on December 16, 2017, 01:10:30 PM
Quote from: firstchoice on December 16, 2017, 05:10:38 AM
RM, what are your thoughts on this DIG import stamp on a Type 56? I'm not understanding the 5 "L"s struck over the top line of the stamp, but the rest seems to be the same? (#53, 1st DIG stamp)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W5Umw5mDyNdE5HOMsTyqI4DAdFnRv_5T/view (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W5Umw5mDyNdE5HOMsTyqI4DAdFnRv_5T/view)

Just ran across it and was curious.

The link to the thread on this rifle is: http://www.the 'other' boards/smf/index.php?topic=146806.0 (http://www.SKSBoards.com/smf/index.php?topic=146806.0)

The other rifle listed on that thread has the early, (#84), 1st  KSI import stamp.

firstchoice

(Edit: RM edited this post to fix the URL)

Looks like the L's are an anomaly.  They aren't covering anything that needs deleted as far as I can see.  The GLNIC imports...those ones have ****'s covering inaccurate city names.  This is a wet hot mess of an import stamp though, this one looks terrible.
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Greasemonkey on December 16, 2017, 01:20:25 PM
Looks like those "L"s were done later, after the DIG stamp was done, they show bare metal.
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on December 16, 2017, 03:28:23 PM
 ???
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: firstchoice on December 16, 2017, 07:24:16 PM
Quote from: running-man on December 16, 2017, 01:10:30 PM
Quote from: firstchoice on December 16, 2017, 05:10:38 AM
RM, what are your thoughts on this DIG import stamp on a Type 56? I'm not understanding the 5 "L"s struck over the top line of the stamp, but the rest seems to be the same? (#53, 1st DIG stamp)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W5Umw5mDyNdE5HOMsTyqI4DAdFnRv_5T/view (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W5Umw5mDyNdE5HOMsTyqI4DAdFnRv_5T/view)

Just ran across it and was curious.

The link to the thread on this rifle is: http://www.the 'other' boards/smf/index.php?topic=146806.0 (http://www.SKSBoards.com/smf/index.php?topic=146806.0)

The other rifle listed on that thread has the early, (#84), 1st  KSI import stamp.

firstchoice

(Edit: RM edited this post to fix the URL)

Looks like the L's are an anomaly.  They aren't covering anything that needs deleted as far as I can see.  The GLNIC imports...those ones have ****'s covering inaccurate city names.  This is a wet hot mess of an import stamp though, this one looks terrible.

Yeah, no doubt it's a mess. No idea when the other letters were added. Possibly an early stamp that the stamp monkey was just learning? But that doesn't make any sense, either. The use of a 5 instead of a 6 on "7.62", the additional "C" in front of the VA, and the "C" or "G" at the end of BHC, along with the added 5 "L"s. I tried to find the secret code, but all I got was more confused.  ??? 

Quote from: Greasemonkey on December 16, 2017, 01:20:25 PM
Looks like those "L"s were done later, after the DIG stamp was done, they show bare metal.

Yep, although the "C" and "5" mentioned above look original? Hard to say without having the gun in hand. Definitely a mess.

Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on December 16, 2017, 03:28:23 PM
???

I second that!   ???  ???

firstchoice
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: TheWalkingDead on February 11, 2018, 11:17:20 AM
I have a Chinese SKS with an importer nam I have not seen on any other Chinese SKS before.
Maybe someone here has seen one or has one.
It is an all milled spike bayonet well used carbine that I purchased in 1988 from a local gun shop.
It looks like it is stamped STEGLES OKLD CA
I will try to get pictures posted of the marking along with Arsenal number.
I did not see this name on the list 
The stamping is small and very light so makes it hard to read.
I am new to this forum but started buying SKS's back in 1987 and boy do I wish I had kept every one I bought. I only own 3 now.
Thanks

(http://preview.ibb.co/nzhDWS/IMG_2232.jpg) (http://ibb.co/eWANQn)

(http://preview.ibb.co/ckC2Qn/IMG_2234.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jTAp5n)


(http://preview.ibb.co/jSbiy7/IMG_2239.jpg) (http://ibb.co/mFcCrS)
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Phosphorus32 on February 11, 2018, 04:58:47 PM
I’m guessing it’s Siegle’s gun shop mentioned in the link below.  They were probably also a small importer, back when that was common.

https://m.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Last-Gun-Shop-in-Oakland-Closing-Steep-tax-2713836.php

Welcome aboard!
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: TheWalkingDead on February 15, 2018, 11:56:53 AM
Thanks for that information. I had looked at the post on the but failed to see his name mentioned but I do see it now.
Makes sense.  Most of the SKS I was seeing in those early days were well used and this was in the Texas area.
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on April 18, 2018, 02:56:08 PM
Added about 6 new importers.  Still have another handful to get through including the Siegles stamp.  thumb1
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: STRANGERRANGER on July 31, 2019, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: running-man on January 23, 2016, 11:41:49 PM
Here is the compilation of all the import stamps I can find on the Chinese type 56 SKS.  The photos are all clickable thumbnails that will grow to full size when you click them.  There are 100's of them out there, so this list is by no means exhaustive.  The main batch of these were brought in from 1984 through 1994, though recently a secondary batch has been imported from 2012 through 2015. 

If you have a Chinese import stamp that isn't shown here, please post up a photo and I'll add it here.  thumb1

Ming Long Co, ?? out of Napa, California:
MING LONG CO, NAPA, CA
Type: Unknown
Location: Unknown
Notes: I have no photo of this stamp.  Appears to be a very early import.

I just recently picked up a 56 that had "HING LONG CO NAPA CA" on the barrel. This was the only reference I could find remotely close to hing long co. Not sure if you've got a typo or if there were two very similarly named importers out of Napa, but doubtful. See the picture of my stamp below.

(https://i.ibb.co/NtypG41/IMG-6619.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wBzC2vJ)
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Matchka on September 11, 2019, 04:06:50 PM
RM, I'll go thru my paperwork as soon as I get back to the states. - I'll un-sock any 56 that's a suspect. Recall a Compasseco - might still be in my Chinese grabs.
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on September 11, 2019, 06:10:36 PM
Awesome. I need to update this thread anyhow. I have several updates to make and photos to add.
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Soulstar2100 on September 22, 2019, 11:03:31 AM
Quote
AAI #2, American Arms Inc. out of North Kansas City, Missouri:
AAI-NKC-MO
Type: Stamp
Location: Right Rear Receiver
Notes: There simply has to be other information on one of these guns such as model designator, country of origin, and caliber *somewhere* on one of these.  Hopefully a better photo will show up someday.

How long ya waiting for pics?

Sino-Soviet E550x Lightly stamped Arsenal 26. Barrel marked SKS 7.62x39 mm MADE IN CHINA

Has a Chinese PU mount that other AAI-NKC-MO have from Google image searches. Google-fu showed this from sksboards about AAI-NKC-MO and having the PU mounts:

Quote
...one of two companies that installed the Chinese copy of the Mosin Nagant scope mount after import. The other was Kengs Firearms Specialties. -xxxsksakjoe
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: firstchoice on September 22, 2019, 06:24:29 PM
Hey RM,

  After looking at the previous post about the Importer out of North Kansas City;


AAI #1, American Arms Inc. out of North Kansas City, Missouri:

NORINCO 7.62 X 39 SKS
MADE IN CHINA, AAI NKC-MO

(https://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20SKS%20Barreled%20Action/SAM_3128.jpg)
Type: Stamp
Location: Unknown Receiver
Notes:

That is a picture of a barreled receiver that I still own, if you need more pics or info on it?   Let me know...

firstchoice
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: firstchoice on September 22, 2019, 07:12:34 PM
RM,

In another aspect of the Chinese PU-Mounted rifles imported by KFS, I have an example with a fifth type of stamp from them. This was a barreled receiver with the PU Mount and Scope Mount included, along with the matching cut stock for the PU Mount. It was later purchased from me and built into a complete rifle by Greatguns. 

(https://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20SKS%20-KFS%20import-Nagant-Style%20Scope%20Mount/SAM_3809.jpg)
(https://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20SKS%20-KFS%20import-Nagant-Style%20Scope%20Mount/SAM_3713.jpg)
(https://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20SKS%20-KFS%20import-Nagant-Style%20Scope%20Mount/SAM_3811.jpg)


This gun actually has two import stamps on it. The one pictured above is between the stock flange and the rear sight block, hidden by the lower handguard of the stock. The one visable all the time is between the front sight block and the gas block.

(https://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20SKS%20-KFS%20import-Nagant-Style%20Scope%20Mount/SAM_3808.jpg)
(https://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20SKS%20-KFS%20import-Nagant-Style%20Scope%20Mount/SAM_3806.jpg)

I'm sorry I don't have a clear shot of the location of the "new" stamp, between the stock flange and the rear sight block. This is the pic that should have shown that, but came out blurred. You may be able to get a better pic from Greatguns, if he still owns the rifle.

(https://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20SKS%20-KFS%20import-Nagant-Style%20Scope%20Mount/SAM_3703.jpg)
(https://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20SKS%20-KFS%20import-Nagant-Style%20Scope%20Mount/SAM_3809.jpg)

firstchoice
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on September 23, 2019, 10:53:46 AM
Quote from: Soulstar2100 on September 22, 2019, 11:03:31 AM
Quote
AAI #2, American Arms Inc. out of North Kansas City, Missouri:
AAI-NKC-MO
Type: Stamp
Location: Right Rear Receiver
Notes: There simply has to be other information on one of these guns such as model designator, country of origin, and caliber *somewhere* on one of these.  Hopefully a better photo will show up someday.

How long ya waiting for pics?

Sino-Soviet E550x Lightly stamped Arsenal 26. Barrel marked SKS 7.62x39 mm MADE IN CHINA

Has a Chinese PU mount that other AAI-NKC-MO have from Google image searches. Google-fu showed this from sksboards about AAI-NKC-MO and having the PU mounts:

Quote
...one of two companies that installed the Chinese copy of the Mosin Nagant scope mount after import. The other was Kengs Firearms Specialties. -xxxsksakjoe

Been waiting since I generated this list.  If you have some you want to send, I'm happy to add them to this list!  thumb1
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on September 23, 2019, 10:55:28 AM
Quote from: firstchoice on September 22, 2019, 06:24:29 PM
Hey RM,

  After looking at the previous post about the Importer out of North Kansas City;


AAI #1, American Arms Inc. out of North Kansas City, Missouri:

NORINCO 7.62 X 39 SKS
MADE IN CHINA, AAI NKC-MO

(https://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20SKS%20Barreled%20Action/SAM_3128.jpg)
Type: Stamp
Location: Unknown Receiver
Notes:

That is a picture of a barreled receiver that I still own, if you need more pics or info on it?   Let me know...

firstchoice


Neat FC.  Looks like I didn't want to guess where on the recever this one was stamped.  Can you tell me where it is located: Left/Right, and then front/center/rear.

Thanks!
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on September 23, 2019, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: firstchoice on September 22, 2019, 07:12:34 PM
RM,

In another aspect of the Chinese PU-Mounted rifles imported by KFS, I have an example with a fifth type of stamp from them. This was a barreled receiver with the PU Mount and Scope Mount included, along with the matching cut stock for the PU Mount. It was later purchased from me and built into a complete rifle by Greatguns. 

(https://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20SKS%20-KFS%20import-Nagant-Style%20Scope%20Mount/SAM_3809.jpg)
(https://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20SKS%20-KFS%20import-Nagant-Style%20Scope%20Mount/SAM_3713.jpg)
(https://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20SKS%20-KFS%20import-Nagant-Style%20Scope%20Mount/SAM_3811.jpg)


This gun actually has two import stamps on it. The one pictured above is between the stock flange and the rear sight block, hidden by the lower handguard of the stock. The one visable all the time is between the front sight block and the gas block.

(https://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20SKS%20-KFS%20import-Nagant-Style%20Scope%20Mount/SAM_3808.jpg)
(https://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20SKS%20-KFS%20import-Nagant-Style%20Scope%20Mount/SAM_3806.jpg)

I'm sorry I don't have a clear shot of the location of the "new" stamp, between the stock flange and the rear sight block. This is the pic that should have shown that, but came out blurred. You may be able to get a better pic from Greatguns, if he still owns the rifle.

(https://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20SKS%20-KFS%20import-Nagant-Style%20Scope%20Mount/SAM_3703.jpg)
(https://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20SKS%20-KFS%20import-Nagant-Style%20Scope%20Mount/SAM_3809.jpg)

firstchoice

Good stuff FC!  So am I correct in understanding that there are actually two distinct KFS stamps on the barrel on this one...both with overlapping information (one having a different order of info and one including the "Made in China" where the other one is only "China")?
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Larry D. on September 27, 2019, 07:25:59 PM
Gotta say, that's about the nicest looking import mark I've seen.

Hard to believe you sold it. Must have been a tasty offer to let a cool variant like that go.
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Matchka on January 20, 2021, 02:56:49 PM
Quote from: Matchka on September 11, 2019, 04:06:50 PM
RM, I'll go thru my paperwork as soon as I get back to the states. - I'll un-sock any 56 that's a suspect. Recall a Compasseco - might still be in my Chinese grabs.
Found info on my 'former' Compasseco. Sold it to a local guy 06/19. Serno is 9224914, 20" barrel. Wasn't #'s matching, missing bayo & cleaning rod when I got it. Called and left a message with the buyer - to try to get some pics.
(https://i.ibb.co/gwQ9gQM/Screenshot-2021-01-20-11-47-47.png) (https://ibb.co/Cv48045)
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: firstchoice on February 21, 2021, 07:14:21 PM
RM, I ran across an interesting variation of the B-West #9 Import Stamp on a Gunbroker auction:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/892881019 (https://www.gunbroker.com/item/892881019)

"B-WEST" is inverted, for some reason. Just thought it was worth noting.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/b436/firstchoice14/B-West_Import_Stamp_upsidedown.jpg)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese_DP_with_BWest_Import_Stamp_upsidedown.jpg)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese_DP_with_BWest_Import_Stamp_upsidedown-2.jpg)

I know the auction pics will only be up for 90 days so I went ahead and uploaded them to my Photobucket and then to here.

If this has already been covered, feel free to delete the post.

firstchoice
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on February 21, 2021, 09:33:05 PM
Neat one FC. Technically that’s a commercial chinese import stamp, but no I’ve never seen an inverted B-West stamp. Very neat!  thumb1
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Bubbazinetti on February 22, 2021, 07:40:06 PM
That image on the receiver says "Sporter" but it's a 20" rifle. I thought all Type 56 Sporters were 16" carbines?
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Greatguns on February 22, 2021, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: Bubbazinetti on February 22, 2021, 07:40:06 PM
That image on the receiver says "Sporter" but it's a 20" rifle. I thought all Type 56 Sporters were 16" carbines?

All the Sporters imported by Labanu were 16", but this is a B-West and is not even on the list in the SKS Guide of commercial variants. Also of note besides the B-west being upside down is it doesn't state SKS just 'Sporter'. Add to the fact it is a DP with Changchun City stamp added.
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: sabinerat on December 05, 2021, 01:19:52 PM
here is the Ming Long
(https://i.ibb.co/j6PB8D8/IMG-1110.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Wx4qHfH)

clavier visuel en ligne (https://usefulwebtool.com/fr/clavier-vietnamien)
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on December 05, 2021, 11:29:07 PM
Nice. Best one I’ve seen yet of this importer!  thumb1

I’ll incorporate that one into this list. Thanks!
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: firstchoice on December 07, 2021, 12:08:46 AM
Quote from: firstchoice on February 21, 2021, 07:14:21 PM
RM, I ran across an interesting variation of the B-West #9 Import Stamp on a Gunbroker auction:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/892881019 (https://www.gunbroker.com/item/892881019)

"B-WEST" is inverted, for some reason. Just thought it was worth noting.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/b436/firstchoice14/B-West_Import_Stamp_upsidedown.jpg)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese_DP_with_BWest_Import_Stamp_upsidedown.jpg)

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese_DP_with_BWest_Import_Stamp_upsidedown-2.jpg)

I know the auction pics will only be up for 90 days so I went ahead and uploaded them to my Photobucket and then to here.

If this has already been covered, feel free to delete the post.

firstchoice

Quote from: running-man on February 21, 2021, 09:33:05 PM
Neat one FC. Technically that’s a commercial Chinese import stamp, but no I’ve never seen an inverted B-West stamp. Very neat!  thumb1

RM, were you saying that the B-West stamp is a commercial stamp only or that the B-West SKS shown is a commercial model? If so, are all DP's considered to be commercial?   (Sometimes I need a refresher course.  thumb1 )


firstchoice
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on December 07, 2021, 12:06:43 PM
FC, the photo doesn't show here at work (we have photobucket stopped at the firewall as they are a security risk apparently).
When I get home I'll look at it again and try and remember why I made that curious comment.  I can't remember at the moment which is not surprising seeing how many times I've slept since February 21st.  chuckles1

B-West did import some commercial guns, but a good many of them were plane Jane 20.5" standard type 56's.  They did stamp "Sporter" on a good many if not all of their imports.  Many people get wrapped around the axle with that little word.  Hopefully I didn't, but honestly it wouldn't be the first time (nor the last time) I'd be wrong!  rofl2
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: firstchoice on December 13, 2021, 08:26:21 AM
Thanks RM!  Photobucket is a sanity risk!  chuckles1  I keep with them because I have soooo many pics uploaded on their site. But it's always a challenge.

firstchoice
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on December 13, 2021, 01:36:48 PM
Yup definitely brain fart there on my part FC. I got taken in by the banana mag and the sporter text instead of really looking at the gun more than two seconds.

Std. type 56, aftermarket mag.

Thanks for keeping me honest!! thumb1
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: firstchoice on December 14, 2021, 03:43:37 AM
I was just corn-fused, RM.   ???  :-\  I thought I knew what it was, but I try to defer to you guys that have pulled in all the data. And when that doesn't compute, I get/go/gone crazy.  chuckles1  (I hope that isn't how Jimmy was "born"!  chuckles1 )  Come on GM, you know it's possible! 

firstchoice 
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Greatguns on July 01, 2023, 12:23:30 AM
Hey RM, I have a new GBE Import stamp for you. This is a /26\ arsenal 12M 1967 and the stamp is different than the 6 you have listed on the first post. Here's a pic. I just bought it so I won't get it until next week. It looks like the SN was re-stamped like it was scrubbed then new numbers put on after the 12 on the SN. All other parts are scrubbed.

(https://i.ibb.co/Y84RMmf/pix070356555.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tcwmtgY)

(https://i.ibb.co/CbtFNyL/pix311977454.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on July 01, 2023, 08:57:54 AM
Nice one GG. I’ll see about updating the list soon!  thumb1
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Greatguns on July 04, 2023, 11:48:42 PM
Hey RM, I found another one for you. This is for that #45 Compasseco Import stamp you need pics for, except what I see is the SKS 7.62x39MM line is on the left (Still upside-down though) and the other line is on the right. Also, it is an /?5\ arsenal (What I think is /0406\)

Pics below

COMPASSECO #1:
SKS 7.62x39MM MADE IN CHINA BY <right side, upside down>
NORINCO COMPASSECO BARDSTOWN KY
Type: Unknown
Location: Both Sides of Receiver
Notes: I have some horrible quality photos of this one but I’m still looking for a nice clear one for this guide.

(https://i.ibb.co/m4nTr03/Type-56-Comp-SN.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sqTRpCZ)

(https://i.ibb.co/bmv70j9/Type-56-Comp-upsidedown-stamp.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zx2NMWv)

(https://i.ibb.co/vw7YK8Z/Type-56-Compasseco.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7Yw46F2)
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on July 05, 2023, 09:57:46 PM
Wow that's a tiny one. Thanks GG!  thumb1
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: Greatguns on July 05, 2023, 10:44:50 PM
 thumb1
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: 1srelluc on August 28, 2023, 04:07:48 PM
Here's a DIG import mark that's not listed. It is so small I needed a MagnaVisor to read it.

China Norinco 7.62X39 DIG Inc. VA Bch, VA

Center right side of barrel....Very shallow....It was the best pic I could get of it.

(https://i.ibb.co/FbLS8S8/sks-004-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fYzhrhr)
Title: Re: List of Chinese Type 56 Importers
Post by: running-man on August 28, 2023, 05:50:33 PM
Neat one, I had not seen that one before.  Very reminiscent of the B-West stamps...