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Re: /016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)
« Reply #60 on: February 12, 2016, 01:11:44 PM »
Just got an update email saying my order has been shipped. I guess that means they found my rifle on file and there is actually something to report on the certificate haha. Now to wait for international shipping to do its part.

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Re: /016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)
« Reply #61 on: February 14, 2016, 02:25:03 PM »

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  101 Factory: Northeast Light Alloy Factory. Jilin City.
101 plant: 012 base astronomical Factory. After the dismount.
102 Factory: Jilin Jihua.
103 Factory: Yubei Machinery Plant, one of Henan SIA Machinery Company (Xinxiang) of four plants.
104 Factory: Shanxi North Fangjin Dong Chemical Co., Ltd (Yangquan)
105 Factory: Tianjin Aviation Electrical Company.
107 Factory: Chongqing Dajiang Industry (Group) Co., Ltd.: from Jiangjin, Qijiang, Wansheng, Nanchuan composed of nine plant relocation.
108 plant: 011 bases.
110 plant: 011 somewhere.
111 Factory: Shin Kong Machinery Plant, said outside Shenyang Aerospace Xinguang Group. Engine production. One 156. From its establishment in 1964 when was placed under the Ministry of Machinery Industry seventh.
112 Factory: Shenyang Aircraft Corporation. One 156.
112 Factory: Southwest Aluminum (Group) Co., Ltd. Chongqing.
113 Factory: Xi'an Aero Engine Control Engineering Co., Ltd. / Xi'an Far East Machinery Manufacturing Company. One 156.
114 Factory: Qing'an Group. One 156. Xi'an.
115 Factory: Shaanxi Qinling Aero Electric Company. One 156. Xingping.
116 Factory: Plain Machine Factory, one of Henan SIA Machinery Company (Xinxiang) of four plants.
117 Factory: Shenyang Xinghua Electric Manufacturing Company.
118 Factory: Shanghai Airlines electrical plant, is Shanghai Aviation Industrial Group.
119 Factory: Xinle Machinery Factory: Shenyang. Was placed under the Ministry of Aviation was established in 1964 when the Ministry of Machinery Industry seventh.
120 Factory: Harbin Dongan Engine Group. One 156.
121 Factory: Heilongjiang North Special Equipment Co., Ltd. (Mudanjiang) formerly Northern Tool Factory.
122 Factory: Harbin Aircraft Industry Group. One 156.
123 Factory: Heilongjiang Huaan Machinery Co., Ltd. (Qiqihar)
124 Factory: Zhengzhou new guard aircraft equipment company. Original in Henan Lingbao Yin Township.
125 Factory: Beijing Shuguang Motor Factory.
126 Factory: Xin Machinery Plant, Guizhou Anshun.
126 Factory: Henan Qinghua Machinery Factory (Xuchang)
127 Factory: Qiqihar Northern Machine Co., Ltd: artillery base. Former machine factory Qiqihar peace.
128 Factory: Guiyang Huayang Aviation Electrical Appliance Co., aviation lighting distribution equipment factory, mainly produces automotive switches and micro-switches. By the Shanghai Airlines electrical plant turnkey.
130 Factory: Ma Yun aircraft factory in Guizhou Anshun.
132 Factory: Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group.
133 Factory: Changchun aviation equipment company.
134 Factory: Yuxin Machinery Factory, one of Henan SIA Machinery Company (Xinxiang) of four plants.
135 Factory: Miles Electrical and Mechanical Plant: Lanzhou.
136 plant: 012 base turret and refueling equipment factory, Shaanxi Chenggu Zhaojiagou, turnkey Qing'an company, after dismount.
137 Factory: Yanxing Hebei Machinery Co. (Zhangjiakou)
138 plant: 012 Base non-standard equipment plant, after dismount.
139 Factory: The New Machinery Factory, Shenyang. Was placed under the Ministry of Aviation was established in 1964 when the Ministry of Machinery Industry seventh.
141 Factory: Shaanxi Yan Aviation Instrument Company.
143 Factory: Guizhou Honglin aviation hydraulic parts factory.
144 Factory: wind and thunder Ordnance Factory, Guizhou Anshun.
144 plant: 012 base switch valve plant, is not built.
145 Factory: Shanxi Jinan Chemical Plant (Taiyuan)
146 plant: 012 base wheel brakes annex plant is not built.
147 Factory: Sungai Chongqing Machinery Plant (formerly in Qijiang): Oe plant genus.
148 Factory: Hong Yuan Aviation casting industry company. Sanyuan.
149 Factory: Shanghai Aerospace Equipment Manufacturing Factory, is aerospace eight homes.
150 plants: Longyan aircraft factory in Guizhou Anshun.
151 plant: 012 Factory electromagnetic base, the proposed store in Nanzheng flagpole after dismount.
152 Factory: Jiangling Machinery Factory (Chongqing): incorporated Chongqing Changan factory.
153 Factory: Tongchuan Canton Township, is Tongchuan Mining Bureau, the state designated civilian explosion-proof equipment production plant.
153 plant: 012 base engine fuel accessories factory, to be built in Mian County of Hanzhong City, after dismount.
154 Factory: Yonghong Machinery Plant, Guiyang.
155 Factory: Jinzhou Hua Shiying Glass (Group) Co., Ltd., China's largest production base of quartz glass.
156 Factory: China Yaohua Glass Group Corporation, Qinhuangdao.
157 Factory: Chengdu Southwest Glass - Glass Co., Ltd. Chengdu Jufeng. It covers an area of ​​135 acres and currently employs 600 people. National military aviation and bullet-proof glass sentinel plants, riot and other special glass earliest professional manufacturers. Original in Mianzhu, now moved to Chengdu (Box 843).
157 Factory: Jin Lin Machinery Factory - Chengdu Jin Lin Industrial Manufacturing Co., Ltd., the original Chongqing Wansheng, production cannon. In 2003 he moved to Pengzhou.
158 Factory: South Peak Luoyang Aviation Precision Machinery Company / Luoyang aviation electronics factory.
159 Factory: Aerospace belongs to Hospitals. Cruise missile development and production assembly plant.
160 Factory: Guizhou Aviation.
161 Factory: Chengdu Aviation Instrument Company.
162 Factory: Shuangyang aircraft factory
164 Factory: Anhui-machine factory.
165 Factory: Guilin Aviation Electric Company, now part of China Aerospace Times Electronics Instruments.
166 Factory: Guizhou Aviation.
167 Factory: Chengdu Lingchuan Mechanical Plant.
170 Factory: Guizhou Aviation Xinyi Machinery Factory.
171 Factory: Suzhou Changfeng Machinery Co., Ltd.
172 Factory: Xi'an Aircraft Industrial Corporation.
173 Factory: Qin Feng, Shaanxi aviation hydraulic company Hanzhong City Xixiang.
174 Factory: Sichuan Airlines Hydraulic Machinery: the original in Ya'an, after moved to Guanghan.
175 Factory: Suzhou Instrument Factory in 1963 from the local acceptance as Shanghai Airlines electrical plant products factory copy, specializes in the production of aviation lighting. 1966 with measuring and cutting tools factory in Suzhou merged state-owned Changfeng Machinery Plant.
176 Factory: Ship.
177 Factory: Chang-Lin Machinery Factory, Jiangxi Tonggu original 1994 relocation Xinyu.
178 plant: 012 base bolt factory, after dismount.
181 Factory: Factory Wuhan - Wuhan Aviation Instrument Co., Ltd.
182 Factory: Shaanxi Aircraft Factory: Chenggu County Hanzhong City. 1979, Tong Hui Machinery Factory, Jinsong Machinery Factory and 012 aircraft separation set up a separate design.
183 Factory: Guiyang Feng Yang hydraulic companies.
185 Factory: Guiyang Aviation Electric Motor Co., Ltd.
186 plant: 012 base after dismount.
187 Factory: Shanxi Guancenshan.
188 Factory: Guizhou Huafeng Electric Co.
197 Factory: Hebei Taihang Machinery Industry Co., Ltd. (Shijiazhuang)
202 Factory: Baotou, Baotou namely Guanghua Chemical Industry Co., China's first nuclear fuel production base.
202 Factory: South Peak Machinery Factory, namely South Peak Luoyang Aviation Precision Machinery Company, AAM assembly plant, originally part of the base 012, after moved to Luoyang. 5000 people.
204 Factory: Chengdu, Sichuan electrical equipment plant, formerly in Sichuan Aikawa, after moved to Longquanyi.
205 Factory: Global China Aviation Instrument Electrical Factory: Ya'an, Sichuan.
206 Factory: Jiangxi Evergreen Machinery Co., Ltd., Yichun City, the local military.
208 Factory: Chengdu Guangming Optoelectronic Information Materials Co., Ltd: China's largest production base of optical materials.
211 Factory: Capital Aviation Machinery Company (Capital Machinery Plant), is a Space Academy. One of 156 projects.
212 Factory: Pou General Electric Company: Baoji. One 156.
213 Factory:
215 Factory: Four Chuan Chuanan chemical plants, in the original Jiang, after relocating to the city of Dujiangyan.
216 Factory: Sichuan Huaqing Machinery Co., Ltd. (South Stream): The original Sichuan Changqing machine factory. Original in South Stream, civilian moved to Pengzhou.
218 Factory: Beijing North China Optical Instrument Co., Ltd.
221 Factory: Taiyuan Aviation Instrument Company.
221 Factory: Haiyan Golden Sand (obsolete), the first nuclear weapons research bases in China, Northwest Nuclear Weapons Research and Design Institute (Ninth Academy), originally set up in Beijing, 1958 in Qinghai building, built in 1962, 1964 The successful development of the first atomic bomb. Its nuclear weapons still located in the west of Beijing Research Institute, proving ground in northwest Beijing Huairou County garden town. 1968 moved to Mianyang Southwestern Institute of Physics.
226 Factory: Sichuan Jian Industry Co., Ltd., the original in Ya'an, after moved to Pi.
228 Factory: Jilin Light Group Ltd. (Changchun): Optical Instrument Factory original Northeast.
231 Factory: Factory 012 base diaphragm. After the dismount.
232 Factory: Beijing Qingyun Aviation Instrument Company.
234 Factory: Modern Chemical Industry Co., Ltd. Shandong North (Jinan): The original Shandong chemical plant.
236 Factory: Chongqing Changfeng Machinery Co., Ltd. (Jiangjin)
238 Factory: Hubei Huazhong Precision Instrument (Yidu)
239 Factory: Beijing Navistar machine manufacturing company, which belongs to Aerospace Hospitals.
241 Factory: the Yangtze River Instrument: original in Ya'an, Sichuan, after moved to Guanghan.
242 Factory: Lanzhou Flight Control Instrument Factory. One 156.
245 Factory: One 156: Northern Xing'an Chemical Industry Co., Ltd., Shanxi (Taiyuan).
246 Factory: Chongqing Qingshan Industrial Co., Ltd (Bishan)
247 Factory: The original northern Shanxi Shanxi Machine Tool Plant Machinery Manufacturing Co., Ltd. (Taiyuan),: one 156. Production artillery.
248 Factory: Optical Co., Ltd. Xi'an North: one 156.
251 plant: 012 base oxygen plant, after the dismount.
252 plant: 012 base fighter autopilot plant, Shaanxi Nanzheng after dismount.
255 Factory: Luzhou North Chemical Industry Co., Ltd. (Sichuan Luzhou): The original Luzhou Chemical Plant.
256 Factory: Chongqing Iron Horse Industrial Group Limited. Production of tanks and armored vehicles.
257 Factory: Chongqing Hirayama Machinery Plant (formerly in Wansheng): Oe plant genus.
258 Factory: Plain photoelectric Limited (Jiaozuo)
268 Factory: Sichuan Jin Douguang Electric Instrument (Huaying Guanyin River, later moved to the new capital), original gold Instrument.
272 Factory: Hengyang Xinhua Chemical Metallurgy Group Ltd., Hengyang City, later moved to Hainan Lingshui.
281 plant: 011 Base-air missile autopilot plant, Shaanxi Nanzheng after dismount.
282 Factory: Jiangnan Machinery (Group) Co., Ltd. (Xiangtan)
284 Factory: Beijing Changfeng mechanical power plant, is aerospace hospital.
288 Factory: Hubei Yangtze Optical Instrument Factory (Yidu, later moved to Wuhan Huangpi)
289 Factory: Bashan Instrument Factory (now Aerospace Times Electronics Instruments)
295 Factory: Hubei Huazhong Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd. (Xiangfan)
296 Factory: Construction Industry (Group) Co., Ltd. (Chongqing)
298 Factory: Yunnan North Optical Instrument Co., Ltd. (Kunming)
300 Factory: SOUTH transmission Machinery Plant (Wangcheng)
301 plant: 012 level meter base tachometer with factory after dismount.
304 Factory: Shanxi North Fang Huifeng Electromechanical Co., Ltd. (Changzhi)
305: Changhong Machine Factory (build Deyang, Mianyang moved to 1958), 156 projects. China's only airborne fire control radar base. Second Ministry of Machine origin, after four planes placed under the Ministry. 1972 black and white TV conversion success. In 1976 he developed the first color TV.
307 Factory: Chenguang Machinery Factory: said outside Nanjing Chenguang Group Co., Ltd. Jinling Machine Factory. It was placed under the Ministry of weapons from 1964 when the Ministry of Machinery Industry seventh.
308 Factory: Chongqing Huaguang Instrument (Huaying Tianchi, later moved to Beibei)
311 plant: 012 scale base oil plant, after dismount.
314 Factory: Hebei Huafeng Machinery Factory (**)
315 Factory: Guizhou Tianyi Electrical Co., Ltd., Zunyi.
318 Factory: Beijing Great Wall north Photoelectric Instrument Co., Ltd.: night vision.
320 Factory: Nanchang Aviation Industry Group (320 plant and 512 plants combined). One 156.
322 Factory: ambitious aircraft factory: Jingmen, production parachute and airborne equipment.
323 Factory: Jilin Baiyun Machinery Factory (Toho)
331 Factory: China Southern Airlines Power Machinery Company Hunan Zhuzhou one, 156.
333 Factory: Hebei Lingyun Industrial Group Co., Ltd. (Laiyuan - after removal)
338 Factory: Optical Instrument Factory Chongqing Ming-kai (Huaying, later moved to Chongqing)
340 plant: 012 base small module gear factory, after dismount.
341 plant: 012 base foundry, after dismount.
342 Factory: Shanxi Huaihai Electrical Co., Ltd. (Changzhi)
343 Factory: Hunan Hongyuan Machinery Factory (Lianyuan, later moved to Yueyang)
345 plant: 012 base lamps Insurance silk factory, after dismount.
348 Factory: southwest Sichuan optical Industrial (Group) Co., Ltd. (Huaying, later moved to Pi), the original red Instrument.
349 Factory: Fenghua Machinery Factory: said outside Harbin Fenghua Aerospace Science and Technology Company. Established in 1964 the Ministry of Machinery Industry seventh separated from the Ordnance Department set up 423 plants (Songjiang Machinery Plant).
351 Factory: JAC Aviation Instrument Factory, Hefei.
354 Factory: Sichuan Jianghua Machine Factory (Huaying Qinghua - Longquanyi)
355 Factory: Guiyang Wanjiang Aviation Electromechanical Co., Ltd.
356 Factory: Yunnan Xiyi Industry Co., Ltd. (Kunming)
358 Factory: China Henan Photoelectric Instrument Factory (Xinyang)
368 Factory: Han Kuang Machinery Plant (Handan)
370 Factory: Le River machinery factory in Jiangxi in 1985 moved to Changzhou, renamed Lan Xiang, Changzhou Machinery Plant (Changzhou aviation engine factory), the major manufacturing helicopters and motorcycle engines. 3,000 employees.
370 Factory: Fen supremely Machinery Factory, 012 base blade factory. After the dismount.
371 plant: 012 base elastic sensing element factory. After the dismount.
372 Factory: Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation: Jingdezhen.
374 Factory: Shanxi Jianghuai Machinery Plant (Jincheng).
375 Factory: Liaoning Qingyang Chemical Co., Ltd. (Liaoyang), China's largest fire bomb # drug production base.
376 Plant: Pioneer Machinery Plant Baoding.
378 Factory: Henan Sichuan Optoelectronics Optical Instrument Factory (the town square, later moved to Nanyang)
380 Factory: Qing Yuning Machinery Factory, 012 base blade factory. After the dismount.
381 plant: 012 Base-air missile with a seeker and fuse factory, Shaanxi Nanzheng after dismount.
382 Factory: Changzhou Aircraft Manufacturing Company: Changzhou Box 16, covers an area of ​​1.1 million square meters, was established in 1970, mainly produces pressure vessels and helicopters. 1,500 employees.
383 Factory: Chongqing Yimin Machinery Plant (Rongchang).
383 Factory: long Machinery Plant, Duyun.
388 Factory: SOUTH Optical Instrument Factory (Hubei Yidu).
390 Factory: Jiao Jiangshan Machinery Plant, the small base of 012 parts factory. After the dismount.
393 Factory: mountains of Sichuan Machinery Plant, the original in Longchang, after relocating to the city of Dujiangyan.
394 Factory: Beijing North Machine Industry Co., Ltd. (Tongzhou): The original Beijing Machinery Factory.
395 plant: 012 base after dismount.
403 Factory: Yichang Marine Diesel Engine Plant.
404 Factory: Jiuquan: China's largest nuclear energy production joint ventures, an area of ​​1260 square kilometers.
404 Factory: wind and thunder machinery plant, river gorge marine diesel engine plant (Hubei Zhijiang).
405 Factory: Hanzhong: China's first use of advanced technology to produce nuclear fuel for commercial plants.
405 Factory: Chongqing Weichai engine plant (CASE), the original diesel engine plant in Sichuan / forward Machinery Plant.
406 Factory: Hongwei Machinery Factory, Chongqing Wulong Baimashan.
407 Factory: Henan Diesel Engine Group Co., Ltd. (Luoyang), one of 156.
408 Factory: Shaanxi Diesel Engine Factory (Xingping), one of 156.
410 Factory: Shenyang Liming Engine Manufacturing Company. One 156.
416 Factory: Yongchuan.
420 Factory: Chengdu Engine Group.
423 Factory: Harbin Songjiang Machinery Factory.
424 Factory: Hudong-Zhonghua Shipbuilding Group (Shanghai).
425 Factory: Wuhu Shipyard.
426 Factory: Dalian Shipyard Limited.
427 Factory: Guangzhou Huangpu Shipyard (Guangzhou Huangpu Cheung Chau)
428 Factory: Dalian Marine Diesel Engine Factory.
429 Factory: Chongqing Shipyard (moon Da)
430 Factory: Xi'an Aero Engine Group.
431 Factory: reportedly also one of 156 Bohai Shipbuilding Heavy Industry Co., Ltd. (Huludao).
432 Factory: Chuan Dong Shipyard (Fuling)
433 Factory: Guangzhou Shipyard International Co., Ltd., the Guangzhou Shipyard.
434 Factory: Xijiang Shipyard (Liuzhou)
435 Factory: Jiujiang shipyard.
436 Factory: Jiangnan Shipbuilding Group (Shanghai)
437 Factory: Shanghai (Innovation Shipyard)
438 Factory: Wuchang Shipyard
439 Factory:
440 Factory:
441 Factory: Jiujiang Instrument Factory
445 Factory: Hangzhou
446 Factory: Hubei Hua Zhou, Ltd. (Chibi)
447 Factory: Inner Mongolia North Heavy Industries Group Co., Ltd. (Baotou): One of 156. The second original machinery factory in Inner Mongolia.
449 Factory: Guangxi Guijiang shipyard (Wuzhou)
451 Factory: China Jialing Group (Chongqing)
452 Factory: Chongqing Machinery Factory Nampo (five bridges)
453 Factory: Chongqing Three Gorges Diesel Engine Factory ()
454 Factory: Chongqing Jiangling Instrument Factory (five bridges)
455 Factory: Chongqing Changping Machinery Plant (five bridges)
456 Factory: Changan Automobile (Group) Limited Liability Company (Chongqing)
457 Factory: Chongqing, China Chongqing Electric Instrument Factory, the former Jiangling Instrument Factory ()
458 Factory: Jiangxi Xunyang Electronic Instrument Factory (Dean)
459 Factory: Jiangxi Navigation Instrument Factory (Ruichang)
460 Factory: Liyang Aero Engine Manufacturing Company (Guizhou)
461 Factory: Wuhan Marine Machinery Co., Ltd.
462 Factory: Chongqing hydraulic Factory (Yongchuan), former Yonghong Machinery Plant.
465 Factory: Chongqing Hongjiang Machinery Plant (Yongchuan), former Sichuan pump nozzle adjustment pacer plant.
466 Factory: Chongqing Yuejin Machinery Plant (Yongchuan), Chongqing former Marine Diesel Engine Parts Factory.
467 Factory: Chongqing Jiangjin Turbocharger Plant (CASE), the former emerging Machinery Plant.
468 Factory: Chongqing Gearbox Co., Ltd. (CASE), the original Yongjin Machinery Plant.
469 Factory: Chongqing Hongyang Machinery Factory (CASE)
470 Factory: Jin Dongfeng Machinery Factory, 012 base aircraft engine assembly plant (engine parts plant includes 370,370,390,480,490 plant, consisting of a total of six engine factory production line, built by the Chengdu 420 factory package, all at the original site Mian County of Hanzhong City). After the dismount.
471 Factory: Wuhan Heavy Industry Casting and Forging Co., Ltd.
47l Factory: Red Star Machinery Plant, Lanzhou nuclear equipment manufacturer.
474 Factory: Liaoning Huafeng Chemical Group Co., Ltd. (Fushun)
475 Factory: Liaoning east chemical plant (Lingyuan Yangjiazhangzi)
476 Factory: Nanjing marine auxiliary plant.
479 Factory: Chongqing Heavy Casting and Forging Plant.
480 Factory: Pentium anxious Machinery Factory, 012 base large processing plants. After the dismount.
481 factory: Zibo battery factory.
482 Factory: Baoding Sailing Group Co., Ltd., one is said to 156. Batteries.
486 Factory: Chongqing Hengshan Machinery Plant (Xiong)
489 Factory: Chongqing Qingping Machinery Factory (sorghum)
490 Factory: shock five states Machinery Plant, 012 base stamping and welding plant. After the dismount.
491 Factory: Marine Machinery Plant Jiujiang.
497 Factory: Wangjiang Machine Manufacturing Plant (Chongqing)
518 Factory: Liaoning Dandong City, the internal combustion engine
781 Factory: Gansu Changfeng Machinery Plant (Lanzhou), washing machine, color TV, refrigerator.
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  I have no idea if this is a comprehensive list that covers all of China's arsenal factories, or just China North's, China South's, or just a partial list that was all they could think of at the time? It doesn't have the Polytech arsenal 386, or many of the other arsenal codes, especailly the Jianshe /26\.  I would revel in the fact that there is no 016 code and there is a 416 Factory: Yongchuan. But there's not enough rhyme or reason to this list to make any assumptions, albeit it is interesting. It is the first list of actual arsenal factories in China, in Chinese, that I've seen. So it's a step in the right direction.

  Personally, I believe it's a /416\.  ArmedHippie, most of the examples that you shared pics of, to me had the "leg" and little doubt for me that they're /416\ codes. But hey, that's only my opinion. And in case you weren't aware, I had THE POTUS Obama write a special E.O., declaring my opinions to be the law of the land, concerning the arsenal /416\  code and all debate is now closed and illegal.  :o  bat1  dance2   thumb1 

  I would like to know what the meaning of the suffix at the end of many lines on the second chart, that says:  " After the dismount." 

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Re: /016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)
« Reply #62 on: February 14, 2016, 02:32:39 PM »
Dismount my be misinterpreted.  Disbandment?  Shut down?  Demilitarization into civilian production of other things?
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: /016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)
« Reply #63 on: February 14, 2016, 05:45:42 PM »
Yup...  I'm more convinced through data now that it is indeed 416.
      
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Re: /016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)
« Reply #64 on: February 14, 2016, 06:03:04 PM »
  I have no idea if this is a comprehensive list that covers all of China's arsenal factories, or just China North's, China South's, or just a partial list that was all they could think of at the time? It doesn't have the Polytech arsenal 386, or many of the other arsenal codes, especailly the Jianshe /26\.  I would revel in the fact that there is no 016 code and there is a 416 Factory: Yongchuan. But there's not enough rhyme or reason to this list to make any assumptions, albeit it is interesting. It is the first list of actual arsenal factories in China, in Chinese, that I've seen. So it's a step in the right direction.

  Personally, I believe it's a /416\.  ArmedHippie, most of the examples that you shared pics of, to me had the "leg" and little doubt for me that they're /416\ codes. But hey, that's only my opinion. And in case you weren't aware, I had THE POTUS Obama write a special E.O., declaring my opinions to be the law of the land, concerning the arsenal /416\  code and all debate is now closed and illegal.  :o  bat1  dance2   thumb1 

  I would like to know what the meaning of the suffix at the end of many lines on the second chart, that says:  " After the dismount." 

  firstchoice

Factory 26 is listed as Factory 296:

296 Factory: Construction Industry (Group) Co., Ltd. (Chongqing)

Jianshe in Chinese means Construction

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Re: /016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)
« Reply #65 on: February 14, 2016, 06:05:43 PM »
Dismount my be misinterpreted.  Disbandment?  Shut down?  Demilitarization into civilian production of other things?

the word in the original article means 'suspended'

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« Reply #66 on: February 14, 2016, 06:10:47 PM »
Interesting... Thanks for the translation.     thumb1
      
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Re: /016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)
« Reply #67 on: February 14, 2016, 06:33:36 PM »
No problem Sir.

A side note: 'One of 156' on the list means the factory was established as one of 156 major industrial projects aided by the Soviet Union according the Sino-Soviet Defense Technology Treaty in early 1950s (later it became Sino-Soviet Agreement on New Technologies for National Defense (1957)).

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« Reply #68 on: February 14, 2016, 07:28:07 PM »
Interesting... 

Ones like this also?

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245 Factory: One 156: Northern Xing'an Chemical Industry Co., Ltd., Shanxi (Taiyuan).

I see alot of 012 listed in descriptions also.... Whats that about?
      
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« Reply #69 on: February 14, 2016, 07:56:10 PM »
Interesting... 

Ones like this also?

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245 Factory: One 156: Northern Xing'an Chemical Industry Co., Ltd., Shanxi (Taiyuan).

I see alot of 012 listed in descriptions also.... Whats that about?

(1) yes, Factory 245 is one of the 156 projects

(2) 012 is military installation number. One installation may have several military factories with different factory codes.

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« Reply #70 on: February 14, 2016, 07:58:52 PM »
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(2) 012 is military installation number. One installation may have several military factories with different factory codes.

I knew it!

RM is going to blow chunks.  rofl

How you find this out?   Anything to reference?
      
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Re: /016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)
« Reply #71 on: February 14, 2016, 09:24:07 PM »
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(2) 012 is military installation number. One installation may have several military factories with different factory codes.

I knew it!

RM is going to blow chunks.  rofl

How you find this out?   Anything to reference?

012 is an airplane manufacturing plant (in Sha'an Xi province), it has many different factories and even has a military hospital:

http://www.zgjgrc.com/view.php?id=285

the 3rd paragraph mentions all the old military factories, schools, hospitals on post.

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Re: /016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)
« Reply #72 on: February 14, 2016, 09:28:44 PM »
I knew it!

RM is going to blow chunks.  rofl

How you find this out?   Anything to reference?

Naw, I think that's a pretty logical conclusion given some of the stuff we do know.

We know Nanjing (21st arsenal) moved to Chongqing in 1938.
We know Hanyang (1st arsenal) moved to Chongqing in 1940.
We know the 21st assimilated the entire 1st rifle factory shortly afterwards, with the 21st themselves only having made Hanyang rifles since 1939. 

It seems that factory lines were at least semi-fluid and with the experience the Chinese had moving factories away from the Japanese front in WWII (and again while outmaneuvering KMT forces and consolidating the PLA's power after the war), different factories could find themselves wholly uprooted or under the control of different elements of leadership pretty easily. 

I think we see this with the 1955 T53's with some early 1.3 mil carbines having a 296 stamp while the later 1955 dated 3 million series sported a 26 stamp.  Both are thought to be factories in Chongqing, yet they were different lines, or at least different leadership controlling the same line. 
      

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Re: /016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)
« Reply #73 on: February 14, 2016, 09:39:41 PM »
Pretty much....  I still think situations like all the [] codes could be the same location.
      
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Re: /016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)
« Reply #74 on: February 14, 2016, 09:52:01 PM »
They very well could be.  Someone needs to get off their rears and get the ARSENAL COMPONENT CONFIGURATIONS done! :)

Then we could see the similarities as well as the differences across all the [] lines...
      

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Re: /016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)
« Reply #75 on: February 14, 2016, 09:58:07 PM »
Lol...   Find me some good clear pic listings.   bat1

Clear arsenal pic.... Crappy rest, or Clear pics of whole gun... No arsenal or serial pic.  Its hell I tell ya!
      
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Re: /016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)
« Reply #76 on: February 14, 2016, 10:21:47 PM »
Yup...  I'm more convinced through data now that it is indeed 416.

Hey hey hey. Hold on now. Before you close your case I just spent $50 USD ($71 Cdn) to get the certificate from Keng's haha.

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RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: /016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)
« Reply #77 on: February 14, 2016, 10:34:01 PM »
 rofl

Lets take bets.. It will be fun!!       'More convinced' are the key words here.   :P
      
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Re: /016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)
« Reply #78 on: February 14, 2016, 10:38:17 PM »
rofl

Lets take bets.. It will be fun!!       'More convinced' are the key words here.   :P

What if....

416 also used 016???  Dual codes???  Like 296 and 26...

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RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
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Re: /016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)
« Reply #79 on: February 14, 2016, 10:45:05 PM »
Cool... Lets see that certificate.     :))
      
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