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Chinese SKS (Commercial) / Re: /416\ M?
« Last post by firstchoice on July 12, 2024, 02:27:13 AM »
I'm way late to this thread but thought I'd mention that all the /416\-marked, BTC-imported "M"s that I've seen, including mine, have the /416\ arsenal marking etched onto the receiver rather than "stamped" like the rest of the receiver markings and serial number. I don't know when the /416\ was applied but I doubt it was at the same time as the rest of the stamped markings.

firstchoice

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Russian SKS / Re: 1949 Ey41 with Bayonet
« Last post by Boris Badinov on July 10, 2024, 06:11:31 PM »
This is my second post which I wanted for the longest time to share with you all.

This is my 1949 Ey41 refurbished with Bayonet first SKS out of four I initially purchased at Auction which I hope you will like as much as I do. To the specialist on 1949, I welcome your thought and input about it.

Pictures could be better but with the day light was difficult to have them better which I will retake on a sunny day to help me with the pic's.

https://ibb.co/album/tqypwn?sort=date_asc


That's a great looking first year example.  Always a relief to see the pinned magazines instead of the franken-weld--- especially 1949 exmaples.  thumb1


The stock has  some issues, though. If I had to guess it is post import mock-up. 
The 1949 date on a stock cut for a blade bayonet is a red flag for sure. There are other issues with the stock, but the early date stamp paired with that style of stock are the most obvious.  The stock appears to be 100% soviet. The Tula arsenal stamp is likely original, but all other stock stampings appear to have been added by the importer, which is not uncommon among the Canadian imports. 




 
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Russian SKS / 1949 Ey41 with Bayonet
« Last post by summum on July 10, 2024, 04:54:15 PM »
This is my second post which I wanted for the longest time to share with you all.

This is my 1949 Ey41 refurbished with Bayonet first SKS out of four I initially purchased which I hope you will like as much as I do. To the specialist on 1949, I welcome your thought and input about it.

Pictures could be better but with the day light was difficult to have them better which I will retake on a sunny day to help me with the pic's.

https://ibb.co/album/tqypwn?sort=date_asc
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Russian SKS / Re: UNKNOWN RUSSIAN SKS HELP NEEDED
« Last post by summum on July 10, 2024, 03:19:10 PM »
I assume you're from Canada?  What's the story on how you obtained this one?  Does it have recent Russian export marks under the wood?

Yes I am from Canada and I have purchased this rifle from a person in Alberta that purchased it from his boss that had it on display in his office....not something we can really do in Canada, go figure. I see no refurbished marks on the stock nor any importation markings looking at the rifle thoroughly.

P32 is correct with the OT prefix, it doesn't help as there is only one single other OT entry in the database.  Interestingly enough, it also has a blank receiver cover though it has the 1st GRAU stamp on it:

What do you mean by "P32"? Where did you see the P32? WOW  :o still amaze that this is the ONLY 2nd OT SN found? Was the year better determined with the first OT SN one. (Thank you for sharing the pic's)

On the right side of the butt stock I have the number "7" stamped and another marking which I added the pictures below.

From my original picture group, I have enlarge the right hand side of the butt stock because of a square stamp which I'm unable to


Below Stamp on the right side of stock



This is a beautiful mystery that I would like to be able to refine having so many aspect of the rifle that were discovered up to now.

Thank you again for your knowledge support
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Chinese SKS (Commercial) / Re: SKS-D question
« Last post by firstchoice on July 10, 2024, 02:55:36 PM »
Hey GG!

  With those numbers, I'm guessing it's a BETA ARMS SKS-30 import. That I know of, none of the importers, nor the Chinese, did the cut-outs on the stocks for the drum mags. I agree that somebody took their time and skill, put it on a mill, and did the best job of it that I've seen done. I believe it was Midwest Arms? that started that trend way back. Myself, I think I'd have used a standard stock, non-matching to the gun, and saved the original for collector's value. But, as always, just my opinion.  :)

firstchoice



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Russian SKS / Re: UNKNOWN RUSSIAN SKS HELP NEEDED
« Last post by running-man on July 09, 2024, 02:26:44 PM »
There is so much to learn about these things it's downright ridiculous.  Once you think you know something, another piece of data comes in to throw your worldview on its head!  Beware of anyone that speaks in absolutes when it comes to the SKS.

I assume you're from Canada?  What's the story on how you obtained this one?  Does it have recent Russian export marks under the wood?

There is a group of Westrifle guns (typically the 'rarer' ones: '49's, '55's, '53 Izhevsks etc.) that we would consider 'humped*' guns.  Whether it was Westrifle that did the work or the exporter/wholesaler that they got them from is unknown, but whoever did it got a little carried away after a while and started applying cartouches to laminate stocks on '49's and also applying 1956, 1957, and 1958 dates to various stocks that had no business having them.  The result is a pattern that's easy to notice when you have enough examples:











*Humped is a gun modified, restored, or altered to make it appear like it is something (typically much more valuable) that it is not.
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Russian SKS / Re: UNKNOWN RUSSIAN SKS HELP NEEDED
« Last post by summum on July 09, 2024, 12:01:58 PM »
Wow seriously many interesting elements that you brought up which is things I'm unaware being new in this. I will look into it further and thank you for bringing these thing up.
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Russian SKS / Re: UNKNOWN RUSSIAN SKS HELP NEEDED
« Last post by running-man on July 09, 2024, 11:30:58 AM »
That stock looks like a classic Westrifle refinish to me though I don't recognize that mag rivet as being Westrifle.  Receiver cover looks heavily ground and restamped, I don't believe it to be original to the gun. 

Form the feature list, we can narrow it down a bit:

Gas tube takedown lever is early '54 or earlier
Receiver cover takedown lever is '50 or later.
Bolt is '51 or later.
Gas block is '52 or later.
Receiver round is mid '52 or later.

Enveloping these leads me to think it's a mid-'52 to early-'54.

P32 is correct with the OT prefix, it doesn't help as there is only one single other OT entry in the database.  Interestingly enough, it also has a blank receiver cover though it has the 1st GRAU stamp on it:










In general, we have relatively very few '53's in the database compared to '52s and '54s, good likelihood that it is a '53 from the lack of other examples.
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Russian SKS / Re: 1954 Izhevsk sks help with stampings
« Last post by running-man on July 09, 2024, 11:13:22 AM »
Hi John welcome to the Files!

summum is correct, you have a Tula made SKS45 there.  It is a refurbished gun so it *may* be a 1954 gun like the receiver cover indicates, but it also *may* be from '53 as we have seen ИТ prefixed examples from both years with identical features like on your carbine.  Very highly likely to be a '54 in my opinion.

Stock is a replacement that came off another gun with a different S/N.  The circle Б stamp near the finger grooves is a pretty common marking on replacement stocks and may indicate the refurb facility that refinished the stock, though that has not been definitively determined.

Otherwise it's a nice clean looking carbine.  Should be a good shooter.

Here is an as-issued similar prefixed 'sister' carbine from '54:




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Russian SKS / Re: 1954 Izhevsk sks help with stampings
« Last post by summum on July 09, 2024, 08:36:41 AM »
I'm new also on the forum so like it was done to me... Welcome :)

from what I know and acquired information the STAR with an Arrow pointing up means that it was manufactured by TULA not Izhevsk.

SKS manufactured by IZHEVSK are identified by a Triangle in a circle with an arrow pointing up see picture added. One thing I'm puzzled is the right hand side of your receiver and how your SKS is identified which is a first for me and the information I have.


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