GB listings for October, 2017 - Chinese Military

[running-man]

Here's the Military Chinese for the month:

• # sold: 113
• Lowest Sale Price: $206.00
• Avg. Sale Price: $349.12
• Highest Sale Price: $709.95
• As-Issued Avg. Sale Price: $399.96

Please let me know any feedback (good or bad) to these.

If you have an objection or observation to add to anything I've listed, by all means call it out.  Let's look at it long and hard (I only look at each listing for a minute or two at most) and maybe everyone can learn a thing or two! 

-RM

Item Link | Description | # Bids | Final Price | Chinese Factory | Arsenal Condition | Current Condition | RM's Notes

• 704206584 | Chinese SKS Type 56 Rifle - 7.62x39mm Vietnam era | 27 | $650.00  | Public Security | As-Issued | Good | Beauty!
• 712496773 | PRE-BAN CHINESE NORINCO TYPE 56 SKS 20" 7.62X39 TRIANGLE 26 FACTORY LIKE AK-47 AK47 PREBAN | 1 | $649.99  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Good |
• 703457894 | Norinco SKS 7.62x39 20" ALL MATCHING NUMBERS! Nice | 39 | $563.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Good | Beauty!  Uncommon /206\ arsenal stamp too.
• 702078187 | Norinco SKS with matching numbers SKS with matching numbers wooden stock bayonet | 10 | $476.00  | Public Security | As-Issued | Good | Nice little PS gun.
• 709021614 | Chinese SKS Type-56 Still with Cosmo Norinco Nice | 23 | $475.00  | [rectangle] | As-Issued | Good | That's a beauty M08!
• 712781180 | CHINESE SKS MILITARY UNFIRED EXCELLENT AK NR | 2 | $454.99  | [rectangle] | As-Issued | Good | That's a beauty right there!
• 708669082 | Chinese Norinco Polytech SKS Arsenal 636 Unissued | 21 | $420.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Good | Nice gun.
• 709613656 | Norinco SKS Type 56, 7.62x39mm, Excellent | 1 | $400.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Good | WOW.  What a nice 10 mil /26\!!!
• 704623877 | SKS 7.62X39 NORINCO POLY ATL | 2 | $400.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Good | Hate it when sellers block the front of the S/N instead of the end…
• 705578534 | Chinese Army SKS / Really nice condition! | 1 | $395.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Good | That stock looks suspect to me…likely as-issued, but not 100% certain.
• 709351936 | Nice Norinco SKS All Matching 7.62x39mm 20" BBL | 22 | $390.00  | [rectangle] | As-Issued | Good | Nice gun here!
• 704639302 | Norinco Type 56 SKS w/Bayonet & Sling, Good Bore | 6 | $355.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Good |
• 704916382 | Norinco Model SKS 7.62x39mm | 11 | $340.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Good | Nice gun!
• 700971038 | Norinco Type 56 Carbine (SKS) 7.62x39 | 8 | $332.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Good | Love these lesser known arsenals!
• 704639126 | Norinco SKS 7.62x39mm Semi Auto Rifle | 6 | $330.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Good |
• 706754429 | Norinco SKS 7.62x39 20.5" | 1 | $319.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Good |
• 707242124 | Norinco SKS 7.62X39 | 3 | $315.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Good | Nice 23 mil /26\ here.
• 706699373 | SKS by Norinco 7.62X39 | 14 | $315.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Good | Nice /316\ here.
• 703288683 | Chinese SKS Type 56 306 in Triangle #s Match VG$99 | 17 | $310.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Good | Nice gun, the yugo accessories are a bit  though.
• 704649264 | Norinco SKS 7.62 NO RESERVE $35 shipping | 10 | $310.00  | Blank (late build) | As-Issued | Good |
• 696339839 | Chinese SKS Type 56 26 in Triangle #s Match VG+$99 | 12 | $305.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Good |
• 709853863 | Norinco SKS 7.62 x 39 Rifle & Bayonet NO RESERVE | 14 | $296.00  | [rectangle] | As-Issued | Good | Wow talk about your light, illegible arsenal stamps…
• 705870255 | Norinco SKS | 4 | $530.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Fair | Nice /26\ here.
• 699999730 | SKS, Chinese | 1 | $389.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Fair | Fair is being generous on this one.  Wow, what a rough looking gun.
• 701033033 | Norinco SKS All matching as new bayonet and sling | 1 | $375.00  | [rectangle] | As-Issued | Fair | This one passed through once already.
• 711110642 | Chinese SKS Semi-Auto Rifle Matching Factory 26 | 16 | $361.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Fair | That's one heck of a Sino-Banian.  Stock is rough at the buttstock though.
• 707562655 | Chinese SKS M56 7.62x39 | 25 | $342.87  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Fair | As-issued Sino-Banain letter gun.
• 703436348 | SKS Bullpup Rifle Norinco SG Works 7.62X39 | 1 | $709.95  | Uncertain | Bubba | Uncertain | I guess it's a Chinese.
• 701037037 | Norinco SKS Bullpup CBRS, Magpul MBUS FAB | 4 | $545.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Uncertain | What a nightmare…
• 704682230 | Norinko SKS bayonet upgraded sights feeds good | 6 | $349.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Uncertain | Horsetrash photos.
• 706794528 | Norinco SKS 7.62x39 | 9 | $325.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Uncertain | I guess it's a Chinese.
• 706668901 | Norinco SKS 7.62x39 Item-S129 | 10 | $306.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Uncertain | C'mon King's, you can do better than this.
• 710563451 | Norinco SKS 7.62x39 Item-S234 | 18 | $306.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Uncertain |
• 709903454 | Norinco SKS 7.62x39 Item-S131 | 13 | $305.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Uncertain |
• 710224379 | Norinco SKS 7.62x39 Item-S227 | 14 | $305.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Uncertain |
• 703308694 | NORINCO SKS 7.62x39, Semi Auto Rifle, 20" Brl, | 4 | $305.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Uncertain | Horsetrash.
• 706435083 | SKS Norince model Folding Stock Bi-pod 7.62x39 | 2 | $304.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Uncertain | I've always wanted a "Norince"!!
• 702892191 | Norinco SKS Sporter 7.62x39 NO RESERVE! | 20 | $300.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Uncertain | Horsetrash photos.
• 707769366 | Norinco SKS | 7 | $294.89  | Uncertain | Bubba | Uncertain | Horsetrash photos.
• 709936590 | Norinco SKS 7.62x39mm Semi Auto Rifle | 6 | $255.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Uncertain | Wet, hot, mess.
• 710560238 | Norinco SKS 7.62x39 Parts/Repair Item-S231 | 20 | $206.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Uncertain |
• 713016697 | Excellent China Norinco SKS 7.26X39 | 1 | $595.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Good | If you ever drop that Mossy Oak camo SKS in the woods, could you find it again?!
• 700592364 | Chinese SKS 7.62x39 Rifle W Jungle Stock | 6 | $500.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Good | Decent looking Bakelite gun here.
• 713119166 | Norinco SKS 56 Jungle Carbine (Matching Numbers) | 1 | $449.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Good |
• 712646811 | SKS Chinese 7.62x39 W/ Bayonet all matching #'s | 1 | $429.99  | Blank (late build) | Bubba | Good |
• 699401257 | Chinese SKS w/bayonet & scope-NICE- Norinco? /316\ | 18 | $395.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Good | It's a nice gun, but the scope mount cover really ruins it.
• 712289194 | Chinese SKS 7.62x39mm bayonet folding stock NR | 4 | $380.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Good |
• 710171085 | Norinco SKS - 7.62x39 - CLEAN Gun!! | 6 | $376.00  | Blank (late build) | Bubba | Good |
• 705858092 | Chinese Security Force SKS Rifle Kengs Police 7.62 | 1 | $375.00  | Public Security | Bubba | Good |
• 702165667 | SKS China (Kings) 7.62X39 | 1 | $375.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Good | Love that stock grain!
• 699411381 | Norenco SKS 7.62x39 Matching Lots of Accessories | 5 | $370.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Good | Horsetrash.
• 699524582 | Norinco SKS Rifle 7.62x39 w Collapsible Stock | 6 | $368.00  | Blank (late build) | Bubba | Good |
• 707197882 | NORINCO CHINESE SKS 7.62MM SEMI-AUTO CLEAN | 1 | $350.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Good |
• 709191907 | Norinco SKS with Synthetic Stock and 30 Round mag | 6 | $345.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Good |
• 705873346 | Norinco SKS China Sports Inc / CSI 7.62x39 | 11 | $332.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Good |
• 699200127 | Norinco SKS Sporter 7.62x39 mm Combat Exchange | 17 | $305.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Good |
• 709830186 | SKS Chinese - 7.62x39 - BARGAIN!! | 5 | $305.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Good |
• 704242744 | Chinese SKS 762 x 39 | 2 | $300.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Good | Oh wow…that scope…oh wow.
• 709474219 | Norinco SKS Chinese 7.62X39 Synthetic Stock | 1 | $295.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Good |
• 705791107 | Chinese Norinco SKS Semi Auto Rifle 7.62X39 | 15 | $285.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Good |
• 710013659 | Norinco SKS Sport 4x28 Scope,Bipod,Composite Stock | 2 | $271.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Good |
• 701328447 | Norinco Chinese SKS Rifle 7.62x39 Semi Auto | 19 | $261.56  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Good |
• 711087192 | Chinese Norinco SKS Rifle Side Folder NICE 7.62X39 | 18 | $241.00  | M21 | Bubba | Good |
• 709124706 | Early Chinese SKS Norinco Type 56 Factory 26 | 4 | $405.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Fair |
• 707601993 | Norinco SKS 7.62x39 LAYAWAY! | 1 | $359.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Fair |
• 708686328 | Chinese SKS Semi Auto Rifle Heavily Accessorized | 1 | $349.00  | Ghost | Bubba | Fair |
• 710024375 | 1966 Chinese Military SKS / Folding stock | 1 | $340.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Fair |
• 700634469 | Norinco SKS Semi Auto Rifle 7.62x39 Tactical Rifle | 1 | $325.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Fair | That is one ugly gun…
• 709820041 | Chinese SKS Type 7.62x39 Item-S117 | 11 | $321.99  | Uncertain | Bubba | Fair | Rattle can gray on the stock eh?
• 710191188 | NORINCO - SKS - CAL. 7.62X39 | 13 | $320.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Fair |
• 701796346 | Chinese SKS 762x39 Semi Auto 7.62X39 Rifle | 2 | $301.00  | Blank (late build) | Bubba | Fair | Interesting re-serial on this one.  16175 on the obviously scrubbed receiver, 116175 on the piece parts.
• 707251378 | Norinco SKS with 30 round mag conversion | 1 | $299.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Fair |
• 709848058 | Chinese SKS Type 7.62x39 Item-S209 | 15 | $291.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Fair | How is it that King's picks up so many Bubba'd Chinese Type 56s?
• 704369527 | Norinco Poly Type-56 SKS 7.62x39 Side-Folder China | 11 | $286.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Fair |
• 709621515 | Chinese SKS Rifle Factory 016 | 1 | $275.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Fair |
• 704716684 | USED SKS CHINESE NORINCO? 7.62X39 w/BAYONET | 6 | $270.00  | Uncertain | Bubba | Fair | Marred up metal, a very noticeable extra socket head cap screw, and a yugo stock make me want to part this one out to put it out of it's misery!!
• 709474551 | Norinco Model SKS 7.62x39mm | 9 | $256.00  | [rectangle] | Bubba | Fair |
• 705879275 | Chinese SKS with Accesories NO RESERVE | 15 | $253.00  | DP | Bubba | Fair |
• 700940892 | Norinco SKS w/Synthetic Stock | 5 | $220.00  | /triangle\ | Bubba | Fair | Does this banana mag make me look fat?
• 710156539 | NORINCO - SKS - 7.62X39 | 13 | $325.00  | /triangle\ | Refurbished | Uncertain |
• 708048115 | Chinese SKS Type-56 Blade Bayo Norinco Nice | 23 | $405.00  | <diamond> | Refurbished | Good | Nice gun M08.  How come you didn't post this one up, looks like an interesting one!!
• 703969937 | Norinco SKS Sporter. Clean! | 1 | $329.99  | Uncertain | Refurbished | Good |
• 710171121 | Chinese SKS 7.62X39 With Bayonet | 1 | $300.00  | /triangle\ | Refurbished | Good |
• 703735109 | Matching Norinco SKS | 8 | $265.00  | /triangle\ | Refurbished | Good | Nice shooter here!
• 707617541 | Norinco SKS | 6 | $355.00  | /triangle\ | Refurbished | Fair |
• 709474056 | Norinco Model SKS 7.62x39mm | 12 | $305.00  | /triangle\ | Refurbished | Fair |
• 699231706 | Norinco SKS Carbine 7.62X39 20" penny start | 12 | $300.01  | /triangle\ | Refurbished | Fair |
• 709593401 | 1st Yr Production JIANSHE Arsenal SKS 7.62 x 39 NO RESERVE - PENNY START - BID NOW! | 20 | $300.00  | Ghost | Refurbished | Fair | Quite the low numbered ghost there.  Kind of a scummy looking gun though, Foxtrot Lima certainly didn't have the quality guns that IO, CAI, or TGI brought in.
• 704644108 | Norinco SKS, Model 56, 7.62X39 | 20 | $461.00  | Uncertain | Uncertain | Uncertain | Horsetrash photos.
• 706736019 | (J) Chinese SKS carbine 56 super condition | 1 | $425.00  | Uncertain | Uncertain | Uncertain | Horsetrash.
• 706618902 | NORINCO SKS - NICE- NR- | 1 | $379.00  | Uncertain | Uncertain | Uncertain | Horsetrash photos.
• 707150349 | Chinese SKS Type 56 Jianshe Plant | 9 | $350.00  | Uncertain | Uncertain | Uncertain | Horsetrash photos.
• 708237011 | Like New Norinco SKS Rifle | 1 | $350.00  | Uncertain | Uncertain | Uncertain | Horsetrash photos.
• 702187528 | Norinco SKS 7.62x39mm | 7 | $336.00  | Uncertain | Uncertain | Uncertain | *sigh* too many of these types of auctions to count.  I think the Chinese GB listings might go the way of the Yugo in 2018…
• 706511484 | Norinco Chinese sks Norinco Chinese sks 7.62x39 | 4 | $323.00  | Uncertain | Uncertain | Uncertain | Horsetrash photos.
• 704293093 | Norinco Chineese SKS 7.62x39 Rifle Original | 20 | $310.00  | Uncertain | Uncertain | Uncertain | Horsetrash.
• 707125377 | Used SKS 7.62 w/Bayonet | 1 | $309.00  | Uncertain | Uncertain | Uncertain | Three identical pics and a random shot of the right front earns this gun a Horsetrash award.
• 708751510 | Chinese Norinco SKS Numbers Matching | 5 | $302.00  | Uncertain | Uncertain | Uncertain | Horsetrash.
• 698310222 | Norinco SKS 7.62x39 VERY NICE Norinco SKS 7.62x39 very nice | 14 | $285.00  | Uncertain | Uncertain | Uncertain | Horsetrash photos.
• 709367016 | Norinco SKS 7.62x39 | 2 | $280.00  | DB | Uncertain | Uncertain | Some type of DB gun, but hell if I can tell more than that from those crummy pics.
• 712892508 | Chinese SKS | 2 | $275.00  | Uncertain | Uncertain | Uncertain | Aside from the obvious horsetrashyness of a single image (and sharing that image with a Savage 111 with a synthetic stock no doubt) this one almost looks Russian to me if I squint just right.  At this price, was worth a flyer….
• 707190857 | Norinco SKS 7.62x39 matching serial *PENNY AUCTION | 14 | $265.00  | Uncertain | Uncertain | Uncertain | Horsetrash photos.
• 710732475 | Chinese SKS Type 56 Semi Auto Rifle, 7.62x39 | 9 | $236.07  | Uncertain | Uncertain | Uncertain | Horsetrash photos.
• 706424438 | SKS Norinco 762x39 full size. | 7 | $235.00  | Uncertain | Uncertain | Uncertain | Absolutely, positively terrible photos.
• 703501846 | SKS Chinese military rifle 7.62x39 milled 1 penny | 14 | $320.00  | /triangle\ | Uncertain | Poor | Ouch…
• 704053193 | SKS Jianshe Arsenal Chinese Rifle PARTS GUN No Reserve - Penny Start - 32 Auto / 7.65 | 15 | $245.00  | /triangle\ | Uncertain | Poor | Squib load still stuck in the barrel eh?  I'm shocked they would even list it in this condition.
• 710181703 | Chinese Type 56 SKS Factory 26 #s Match Nice | 5 | $455.00  | /triangle\ | Uncertain | Good |
• 707171414 | CHINESE TYPE 56 SKS SEMI AUTO RIFLE-MATCHING | 15 | $400.00  | Blank (late build) | Uncertain | Good | GCG strikes again!
• 707672190 | NIB SKS, with military pouch, sling, box | 5 | $381.00  | Uncertain | Uncertain | Good |
• 704468167 | SKS Norinco - Excellent As New | 1 | $359.00  | /triangle\ | Uncertain | Good |
• 708283397 | Norinco SKS 7.62 X 39 All Matching | 24 | $335.00  | /triangle\ | Uncertain | Good |
• 708071215 | Chinese SKS 7.62x39 Orange Stock | 1 | $250.00  | /triangle\ | Uncertain | Good | Crappy receiver photo…come on guys, in the day of uber 12 megapixel digital cameras that cost less than $250, there is no excuse for an out of focus photo like that….
• 702632094 | NORINCO SKS 7.62X39 | 19 | $310.00  | /triangle\ | Uncertain | Fair |

[Greasemonkey]

704053193 | SKS Jianshe Arsenal Chinese Rifle PARTS GUN No Reserve - Penny Start - 32 Auto / 7.65 | 15 | $245.00  | /triangle\ | Uncertain | Poor | Squib load still stuck in the barrel eh?  I'm shocked they would even list it in this condition.

I'm just trying to figure out......how, mixed in with a little why, with a touch of, was it imported in this condition.

I have seen and even piddled with a caliber conversion sleeve or two, but, I did not think they would have handed these out to soldiers. It's a fun little novelty, but I wouldn't want one when it's life or death.

709593401 | 1st Yr Production JIANSHE Arsenal SKS 7.62 x 39 NO RESERVE - PENNY START - BID NOW! | 20 | $300.00  | Ghost | Refurbished | Fair | Quite the low numbered ghost there.  Kind of a scummy looking gun though, Foxtrot Lima certainly didn't have the quality guns that IO, CAI, or TGI brought in.

Scummy... oh  that ugly makes it about the sexiest one out of the dozen I looked at.. it's honest ugly. 

So many bubbas..

[martin08]

Thanks, RM.

No objections.  I'm just wondering how one could ever get a "Very Good" rating on your grading scale!

 

[running-man]

Hey Martin, good observation!

I'm a bit stingy with my grading scale, I agree.  VG are few and far between.  Those guns don't sell on gunbroker, they are kept close to the vest in people's collections and when they do change hands, typically go to a real auction, go on consignment in a reputable gun store, or go in a face to face deal. 

It was far worse last year as I had these based on NRA grading (which as I quickly found out doesn't really apply to milsurp SKS sales on gunbroker) :

Current Condition:
Perfect: In New condition in every aspect.  (Many collectors & dealers use "As New" to describe this condition).  Unfired since import.  Something in this category likely has the box, manual, all accessories, and maybe even the original receipt with it. 
Excellent: New condition, used but little, no noticeable marring of wood or metal, bluing perfect, (except at muzzle or sharp edges).  Fired very little if at all.  Again, these guns typically have the original packaging and all accessories. 
Very Good: In perfect working condition, no appreciable wear on working surfaces, no corrosion or pitting, only minor surface dents or scratches even though the gun has certainly been fired.  May or may not have the box and all accessories. 
Good: In safe working condition, minor wear on working surfaces, no broken parts, no corrosion or pitting that will interfere with proper functioning.  Fired often, likely doesn't have the box, manual or any accessories. 

Well I've only ever seen maybe one or two SKSs that could even come close to "Excellent" so I dropped both that and "Perfect" like a bad habit.  I kept the VG as the upper level and went from there (Commercial Chinese actually have an "Excellent" category, but they are typically 30 years younger than the typical military Chinese import and all started out Excellent before they shipped to the states).  The condition rankings changed a bit as well with the boxes and accessories needed to be VG on my list.  A good portion of the guns in many of our members' collections would rate VG or at the very least squarely between Good and VG.

[martin08]

Have to agree, any milsurp grading scale leaves a lot to be desired.

But dang, you're tough!   

[Justin Hell]

709613656 | Norinco SKS Type 56, 7.62x39mm, Excellent | 1 | $400.00  | /triangle\ | As-Issued | Good | WOW.  What a nice 10 mil /26\!!!

My 10m came to me NIB....and I have always been curious, because mine is oiled wood...and totally original...about when did the furniture get different treatment?  This one is as orange and shellacky as a Chinese can get. (screw you spell nazi browser, I created yet another word...deal with it.)

Mine is totally different...more akin to earlier Chinese...but not beat to hell.  The only thing that happened to mine was me reinstalling the bayonet that was in the box. She was my second SKS, and the first that wasn't messed with...somehow, I have left it alone through all my silly tampering over all these years.

[Phosphorus32]

The NRA scales are basically worthlesss for the milsurp collector. Their modern scale seems to be targeted to newer higher priced commercial grade finish rifles and would place most 20th Century milsurps at the bottom of their scale. Their antique scale would place most 20th Century milsurps at the top of the scale. 

[running-man]

+1 Jon, I agree completely.

So it being December, now is the time to start thinking if it makes sense to change the scale for 2018.  Martin's gun could easily be a VG, maybe an Ex, but with only a single photo (which is actually quite a bit better than I typically get from GB) I can't really say. 

Maybe we go super simple and have a Good / Fair / Poor rating since it's such a subjective thing?

I believe that 2018 will bring changes to the Chinese and Chinese Commercial listings.  Unless someone else wants to take them over, they may go the way of the Yugo lists as I simply don't have to time to dissect, categorize, & comment 85 bubba Chinese and 15 decent ones.  Unfortunately, w/o sorting the Chinese, the Chinese Commercial are impossible to segregate.

[Loose}{Cannon]

Smithsonian grade