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Title: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 02, 2015, 05:42:28 PM
Yes, using a 'pirated' mag adapter designed by me!!!!, with a 'cosmetic' change. I detest thieves of any kind.

Marcus
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Justin Hell on June 02, 2015, 06:34:47 PM
As soon as I saw that mag adapter with a maple leaf....I was prepared to hold my breath until Marcus chimed in. Glad I didn't....it took a lil longer than I expected. :)

I would really be interested in just how heavy this thing is...there is an awful lot of added weight, especially just for flip up sights.  I have one of those quad rails, I can only imagine how much the magwedge and the pirate adapter add.  With all that weight, if it was a Phoenix Kicklite stock, I would think the recoil would feel like shooting a 22....only louder.

I kind of like some of the parts used, but perhaps I wouldn't go the route of using all of them on the same gun. It almost has a Hi-Point carbine look to it.  Do the separate top rails line up to where you could use a variety of optics mounted between them?  I don't recall seeing anyone using the quad and the magwedge, but I do seem to remember someone wondering at some 'other' place whether they would line up properly.  The SKS to me anyway, looks a little funny with a scout mount...even when using red dots or reflex sights...the ability to move it over the bolt carrier would be a nice option.

I dig the modded bolt carrier too, not that I am lefty....but it is a pretty slick mod, and from what I can see looks pretty clean too.  thumb1


I am gathering the materials for a bubba project, this gives me a little food for thought....and reminded me of that quad rail that lives in a spam can with a bunch of other unused parts.  LC gave me an idea of what to do with that cowbell I have somewhere in the garage... chuckles1
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 02, 2015, 06:45:30 PM
The G9/A weighs in at a scant 9.6 oz. Located where it is, you can't tell the difference in weight. If anything the rifle balances better as it shifts the weight a bit rearward. I still hate thieves though. My design, my money to develop, my time (3 1/2 years).

Marcus
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Justin Hell on June 02, 2015, 07:10:07 PM
The G9/A weighs in at a scant 9.6 oz. Located where it is, you can't tell the difference in weight. If anything the rifle balances better as it shifts the weight a bit rearward. I still hate thieves though. My design, my money to develop, my time (3 1/2 years).

Marcus

Agreed...it is a pretty piss poor thing to do to someone.  After posting, I considered that might actually even out the balance a bit being in the center and all....
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 02, 2015, 07:20:41 PM
So please go sound off in the Hical and Fringe posts that it is stolen and NOT their design. Thanks.

Marcus
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on June 02, 2015, 07:24:44 PM
I tried that....  they really dont give a ****.
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: CrazySquid on June 02, 2015, 09:12:19 PM
Wow,, no clue re mods or stolen mods.. All my sks's are stock and will remain that way.
Whats up re the stolen mod ? Dont know anything about it:(
Forgive my newbness to modded sks rifles.
HiCal is now selling these puppies for about $250 Cdn
Sorry Marcus,, had no idea and ya I dont like thieves either!
Squid=JimDO in CGN
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: CrazySquid on June 04, 2015, 04:12:40 AM
No answers?
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 04, 2015, 11:48:38 AM
RM, to clarify, it wasn't HiCal. it was another Canadian Company though. Now, another Canadian Company "claims" to have a mag adapter for the SKS. And guess what, it looks just like ours as well. They are Fringe Firearms. Take a look at theirs. Go comment in their thread as well. And I still hate thieves of any ilk.

Marcus
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on June 04, 2015, 11:54:58 AM
Total BS
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: CrazySquid on June 04, 2015, 12:15:30 PM
Omg!  Ya that looks like a total rip-off of your design Marcus.
Very dirty!
I edited my posts on CGN, removing the pics and adding some appropriate comments in their place.
Curious to see if they get edited.
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Carl in CT on June 04, 2015, 01:25:59 PM
That's it, time to invade Canada.
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 04, 2015, 01:37:18 PM
SKS Magazine Adapter to AR by Fringe Firearms – Coming Soon! (http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1238458-SKS-Magazine-Adapter-to-AR-by-Fringe-Firearms-%E2%80%93-Coming-Soon)!?highlight=SKS+magwell

there ya are.

Marcus
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Dannyboy53 on June 04, 2015, 05:45:47 PM
That's it, time to invade Canada.

I'm in Carl! I'm sending them a photo of my butt too  rofl  that should distract them long enough for us to cross the border.

Marcus do you really have any recourse outside of spending gazillions of dollars and years in court...seriously? That's the part that gripes my behind about thugs like this, they know you don't have a lot of options.
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Blicero on June 04, 2015, 11:01:27 PM
Do you have patents?
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 05, 2015, 11:06:52 AM
Do you have patents?

I filed the 'place holder' in May 2014. We recently filed 'step 2' with the USPTO. There may be a 'step 3' also. It is in the works. It takes from 2-5 years to actually get the approved patent. But, with the May 2013 filing, we are protected.

Marcus
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 05, 2015, 11:52:18 AM
Well guys, Dave at HiCal has responded to my post. I just responded back. Go read it and make some "polite" comments of your own please.
Marcus
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 05, 2015, 12:24:00 PM
HiCal just responded again and admitted it is my design.
Marcus
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Carl in CT on June 05, 2015, 12:57:47 PM
Can you repost the link to that thread where he admits it?
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 05, 2015, 01:38:04 PM

New SKS- AR Magwell Adapter ready for sale on Website - Page 13 (http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1237621-New-SKS-AR-Magwell-Adapter-ready-for-sale-on-Website/page13)
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 05, 2015, 01:44:13 PM

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1237621-New-SKS-AR-Magwell-Adapter-ready-for-sale-on-Website/page13 (http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1237621-New-SKS-AR-Magwell-Adapter-ready-for-sale-on-Website/page13)

Post some 'polite' comments guys. Don't go in guns blazing. Keep it professional and clean please.

Thanks
Marcus
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: scarymike23 on June 05, 2015, 03:32:41 PM
Yeah, to put it diplomatically a lot of the people on that thread don't cast the best light on their country and fellow Canadians. The lack of concern for ethics they've displayed is pathetic.
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: CrazySquid on June 05, 2015, 08:48:15 PM
Im Cdn and sad to say I agree :(

I think Cdns are so desperate for rifle and sks mags that can legally hold more than 5 rds, that they are willing to turn a blind eye to ethics...
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 05, 2015, 09:09:51 PM
Im Cdn and sad to say I agree :(

I think Cdns are so desperate for rifle and sks mags that can legally hold more than 5 rds, that they are willing to turn a blind eye to ethics...

CS, then why didn't HiCal simply call us and work out mutual agreement so we both benefit, instead of stealing?

I will never buy anything from them or perhaps any Canadian concern again.

Stay tuned guys, we have a game plan that will blow them out of the water. Details as soon as they are worked out. It will be fun, I promise. We don't get mad, we get even and then some !!!

Marcus
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: CrazySquid on June 07, 2015, 02:03:15 PM
Not sure what u think Marcus, but Im in agreement with you.
I have no affiliation with Hical so I cant speak for them
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Carl in CT on June 09, 2015, 08:36:15 AM
Wow, amazing, in reading some of those posts those crazy Canadians actually seem to believe it's better to be Canadian. No wonder you can't reason with them Marcus, they are clearly delusional. So when do we invade? I would think it would be an easy victory with our 30 & 40 rd + mags vs. their 5 rd mags.

OK, I am being sarcastic, I don't have anything against Canada or it's people as a whole. I do think it's pretty low though, these guys stealing Marcus's design and the low life scum supporting that theft make me ill.
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 09, 2015, 11:50:08 AM
We do have an 'invasion plan' though. Stay tuned for details.

Marcus
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Justin Hell on June 09, 2015, 12:44:57 PM
Well...I am closer to the border than many of you guys....pre invasion party at my house y'all?

I always wanted a Russian SKS and an SVT. :)
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Carl in CT on June 09, 2015, 02:43:06 PM
Well...I am closer to the border than many of you guys....pre invasion party at my house y'all?

I always wanted a Russian SKS and an SVT. :)

Oh yeah SVT!!! To the victors go the spoils!!!!
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on June 09, 2015, 06:14:15 PM
Sooo...  Two dif guys are making on in CA now?

Found Marcus's buddy.

https://youtu.be/bAs8acvgbTM
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 10, 2015, 11:37:26 AM
OK guys, go to that video link (above) and post away. Be polite and professional please.

Marcus
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Shotz90s on June 10, 2015, 02:27:57 PM
You can always leave one here too. Gotta politely help a brother out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brw7NRwUEH0
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on June 10, 2015, 03:46:23 PM
Sooo..  with this CA knockoff you have to cut the front of the trigger group off, and dremel grind the inside of receiver and on the bolt hold open?   :o
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Shotz90s on June 10, 2015, 04:05:29 PM
Seems so much simpler and less destructive than the TX Original doesn't it?
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 10, 2015, 06:22:56 PM
Sooo..  with this CA knockoff you have to cut the front of the trigger group off, and dremel grind the inside of receiver and on the bolt hold open?   :o

Yes, but you have to trim the trigger tangs anyway. Only way the square spine on the AR mag can clear. The 'standard' SKS mag spine is very narrow to clear between the tangs. We modify the mags so you don't need to cut the BHO or the feed ramps. In Canada, it's illegal to mod the mags. So they HAVE to mod the rifle. I honestly have no issues with modifying the rifle. Why woud you want to go back to 10 rounds in original configuration? Or, get the G3 or G5 and use modified Tapco and Promags. The up side in the USA if you mod the rifle is ANY 7.62 x 39 AR mag will run. Any capacity, any size. And the mags (ours or the unmodified ones) will run in both platforms. We are currently developing a 'ambi' left side mag release as well.

Marcus
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Justin Hell on June 11, 2015, 03:10:50 AM
Sooo..  with this CA knockoff you have to cut the front of the trigger group off, and dremel grind the inside of receiver and on the bolt hold open?   :o

That must be to avoid infringement issues...or just stumbling blocks along the way of reinventing the wheel?
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 11, 2015, 10:17:21 AM
Sooo..  with this CA knockoff you have to cut the front of the trigger group off, and dremel grind the inside of receiver and on the bolt hold open?   :o

That must be to avoid infringement issues...or just stumbling blocks along the way of reinventing the wheel?

Actually, it's the only way Canadians can use the AR pistol mag in the rifle. Since they can't mod the mag legally, they must mod the rifle to use the unmodified mag.
Marcus
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Carl in CT on June 11, 2015, 11:38:40 AM
Sooo..  with this CA knockoff you have to cut the front of the trigger group off, and dremel grind the inside of receiver and on the bolt hold open?   :o

That must be to avoid infringement issues...or just stumbling blocks along the way of reinventing the wheel?

Actually, it's the only way Canadians can use the AR pistol mag in the rifle. Since they can't mod the mag legally, they must mod the rifle to use the unmodified mag.
Marcus

So is that how they are saying their adapter is different, because you have to hack up the gun more due to moronic Canadian govt. regs?
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 11, 2015, 12:15:00 PM
Sooo..  with this CA knockoff you have to cut the front of the trigger group off, and dremel grind the inside of receiver and on the bolt hold open?   :o

That must be to avoid infringement issues...or just stumbling blocks along the way of reinventing the wheel?

Actually, it's the only way Canadians can use the AR pistol mag in the rifle. Since they can't mod the mag legally, they must mod the rifle to use the unmodified mag.
Marcus

So is that how they are saying their adapter is different, because you have to hack up the gun more due to moronic Canadian govt. regs?

No, they are just flat NOT telling you the truth. It IS our adapter, plain and simple with the dished out bottom. They 'copied' it down to the .001th of an inch. Dave admitted to me on the phone he had one of mine. Then he tells me he gave it to his guys and said "make me one of these". All they did was makes a new side plate that says Canada, cut out the bottom of the adapter. He claims, that the design HAS to be similar or it won't run. DUH, NS Sherlock. You don't need a law degree from Harvard to see the copy job. You also don't need an engineering degree from MIT to see it either.

And I still hate THIEVES, period. Our 3 1/2 years of R&D, thousands of dollars to perfect it, and they just take it and claim they developed it in Canada. Why, because they can. And, I promise you guys, they have no history with the potential issues they will run into. If you watch the video, he doesn't mention anything about trimming the the front locking tab or the longer screw that binds on the mag catch. Because all rifles are somewhat different, the install is VERY CRITICAL. You can't just throw it on in 5 mins as he shows in the video.

Marcus

Marcs
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Carl in CT on June 11, 2015, 01:02:58 PM
Yup, I was kind of thinking that there really can't be too many ways to make one of those so any of them have to be pretty much the same. He is stealing your idea, design and R&D time/money, the filthy scum. I hope he has nightmares and refund demands once his customers start calling him with installation problems. Hopefully he never even gets that far.
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Justin Hell on June 11, 2015, 04:55:37 PM
Could a licensing deal be worked out where the respective countries silly laws could be 'skirted' and you could be compensated for your design and avoid border issues by striking a deal?  If you could get your pound of flesh for every one sold in Canada, and they could profit from the manufacturing and marketing troubles a little...would that make nice for everyone and future developments could be shared?

Not saying this didn't start off totally wrong in ethics in the first place, but having two locations in two countries that can make the adapter...and a little respect paid to the original designer monetarily....it seems common ground could be reached.

"Designed in Texas, but Made in Canada"  With a big Lone Star with a tiny Maple Leaf in the middle of the logo? I dunno...it is a great idea that should be available wherever you live...theft of said idea on the same continent no less is wrong, but I would love to see everybody happy in the end...
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 11, 2015, 05:31:46 PM
Could a licensing deal be worked out where the respective countries silly laws could be 'skirted' and you could be compensated for your design and avoid border issues by striking a deal?  If you could get your pound of flesh for every one sold in Canada, and they could profit from the manufacturing and marketing troubles a little...would that make nice for everyone and future developments could be shared?

Not saying this didn't start off totally wrong in ethics in the first place, but having two locations in two countries that can make the adapter...and a little respect paid to the original designer monetarily....it seems common ground could be reached.

"Designed in Texas, but Made in Canada"  With a big Lone Star with a tiny Maple Leaf in the middle of the logo? I dunno...it is a great idea that should be available wherever you live...theft of said idea on the same continent no less is wrong, but I would love to see everybody happy in the end...

Funny you mention that idea. We have a PLAN. Can't give details, but it won't be with HiCal.

Marcus
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on June 11, 2015, 06:07:16 PM
I like it...
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 11, 2015, 10:45:00 PM
Guys, go to the HiCal "post your SKS rifle" thread. I just posted pix of mine with our G9 with dates from 2014 on them. Post away, but be nice.

Marcus

Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: running-man on June 11, 2015, 11:35:58 PM
We've split this topic off of Crazysquids posting (http://sks-files.com/general-discussion/53/a-buddys-heavily-modded-sks/1285/).

Everyone needs to remember rule #5:

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5. Try to stay on topic, do not thread jack. We know conversations can meander, but if it gets out of hand, either PM each other or we will step in and clean up the thread.

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I would suggest that whatever problem that Marcus has with HiCal be resolved between the two of them. Nothing good ever comes from groups of people taking sides and hurling insults at each other on other boards.  I'd very much prefer SKS-Files not receive that type of publicity.

Thanks,

-RM
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on June 12, 2015, 01:21:12 AM
PLEASE, don't badmouth HiCal just post your position that HiCal pirated my design. Be professional and polite.

Marcus
 
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: sksmcrossvilletn on July 21, 2015, 07:45:28 AM
Yes, using a 'pirated' mag adapter designed by me!!!!, with a 'cosmetic' change. I detest thieves of any kind.

Marcus

Sue the piss out of them!
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on July 21, 2015, 09:57:26 AM
Yes, using a 'pirated' mag adapter designed by me!!!!, with a 'cosmetic' change. I detest thieves of any kind.

Marcus

Sue the piss out of them!

Way to costly. We have a better plan. In fact, it is currently in full swing. Details next week.

Marcus
Title: Re: HiCal just admitted they copied my design !!!
Post by: 1mlt on July 28, 2015, 02:17:59 PM
I didn't want to leave you guys in the dark. Plan is swinging into action. It will be in early August when in full operation.

Marcus