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Milsurp Hand Guns & Sub Guns / Re: The US Army's other .45acp
« Last post by Justin Hell on Today at 03:49:50 AM »
I could swear Col. Potter had one or the other of these in M*A*S*H*

I now feel compelled to binge watch until I can be for sure....

Really neat to see them both and the side by side comparison...wacky that the US Govt. would allow such variation....thanks for sharing, I love learning new stuff...even though I am also not a big fan of revolvers.
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Introductions / Re: Hello from Slovenia
« Last post by Justin Hell on Today at 03:37:55 AM »
Does yours have the Tritium night sights? I kinda want one of those. :)

I have Tritium night sights, but to use a rifle on gun ranges in Slovenia, I had to have granade launcher and bayonet removed. You could keep them on rifle if you are a collector, but I like to use my rifles, so I keep removed items separated and at home.

Grenade launchers and bayonets seem so silly to have laws regarding....California seems to hate them both too...but how often have you heard of a grenade launched or a person bayonetted these days? 

Unless....you actually can get grenades that would work...in that case. Message me....even practice grenades would be fun just to mess with the customs people who already have me on a list or two. rofl

At least you can have the option of keeping it intact or using it freely. California doesn't do that...so glad I am not there....so many guns have been mutilated by that state.

And yes....do you have any info about the long barreled M59s?  :)
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That is the NR...I think it was made the year of the drunken monkey or the year of the hungry rat... whatever 1994 was in China. rofl2


It's like one of them old Ferrari 308GTS kit cars.. looks good on the outside, till you pop the hatch and see a VW 1600cc, when you were hoping for a F106 AB V8 with 4 Weber carbs. cry1
rofl chuckles1 rofl2

Kind of makes me not want one as bad now. :)

Is that the NR norm?  They should have at least given the children sharper knives.  That kind of blows my mind a little...what was left of it. It makes my Sporter look like the aforementioned Ferrari....but without the bug power.  I wonder if my DB was made by a guy who transferred later to the NR plant to whittle your stock. I kinda feel bad for being one of the enablers that caused you to pick that one up. I wouldn't kick it out of the collection, but now I am not as jazzed to locate one vs. some of the other weird stuff they came up with in the Clinton era.
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Russian SKS / Re: Regarding very early 1950 Tulas
« Last post by Justin Hell on Today at 03:12:53 AM »
The routing for the bayonet slot on 49s I have seen refurbed with laminates kind of looks weird to me. Almost chiseled looking at the end of the slot...which it might have been, the amount of work needed to slim them down to the 49 ferrule seems tedious vs just upgrading the entire thing to fit the new standards....yet it some cases, it appears as if they did. 

I just can't wrap my head around them replacing one part to make up for it no longer being compliant with the current norm when refurbishing....at least with the haphazard refurbing process that has parts getting xxxed out or completely replaced.  There are enough little pains in the backside between 49 and 50 that would seem to warrant an entire barrel replacement vs. doing half the job, and having to deal with keeping the original gas block and front sight block together....which often does not appear to be the case during refurb.

The idea that somewhere in 50, a 49 would need to be reworked at all seems laughable to me. I am leaning more and more that the spike/blade transition actually happened across 49 and 50 and both were made concurrently for a while...and that at refurb, perhaps some of them just got special attention. As fastidious as they seemed to be with refurbing, you would think all early features would have been eliminated before we ever got to see them...but, they didn't....why? The fact that a seemingly verifiable spiker 50 exists seems to lend towards what I am saying.  Right?

I also think we never will really get to the bottom of the early Russian debacle...but it sure is fun thinking about it. My parents were born in 49....there is very likely nobody still alive with first hand knowledge what on earth they did. I sure am glad I dove in to my first Russian being so worthy of discussing though...everything else besides the first couple years almost seems boring. I think once I pick up a 45 degree 50...I might be done, unless a pretty Izzy comes up....I am running out of wall space to hang them. The guitar collection is getting nervous....they are almost outnumbered.  rofl

Bottom line, the differences between the pin placement on the 49 to early 50 on the FSB is an issue...the top vs. bottom pinned stock ferrules also is an issue....as is the slender stock needed for the spike and it's original tiny stock ferrule...which in no way resembles the later Chinese spike ferrule...yet another issue.  I think there was a lot more development during this period than we will ever be able to address for certain...I enjoy trying to make sense of it nonetheless. :)
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That is the NR...I think it was made the year of the drunken monkey or the year of the hungry rat... whatever 1994 was in China. rofl2


It's like one of them old Ferrari 308GTS kit cars.. looks good on the outside, till you pop the hatch and see a VW 1600cc, when you were hoping for a F106 AB V8 with 4 Weber carbs. cry1
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Milsurp Hand Guns & Sub Guns / Re: The US Army's other .45acp
« Last post by Greasemonkey on Today at 02:26:30 AM »
I think it's "artificial collectordom" based off the name on the side.. the Colt typically carries the premium, S&W only made maybe 20,000 more revolvers. Quality wise.. I haven't seen a real difference, both have that old school quality and workmanship. Both have a previous military history, the Colt originated from the Army's M1909 New service model .45LC and the Smith originated from the Second Model .44 Hand ejector, just before they made this, they made the heavy frame version chambered in .455 Webley to support Britain.

Smith then made a version for Brazil in 1937..they will have the Brazilian crest, like their Mauser stamped on the right side.. this could confuse/cloud the price difference between the US military models as well

The moon clip design was a S&W design.. and they gave that design to Colt, at the request of the military.

S&W I think still currently makes a .45acp wheel gun.. the 625 and 325 models..

I also have a holster for a M1917, I can not currently tell if it's the real deal or not.. Based off wear and tear, I dare say it could be.. or it could be just a really old reproduction. It has all the signs of an original, but no maker/date stamp on the back I can see.
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I wonder if Canada has a Harbor Freight equal to get one.


https://www.princessauto.com/en/search?Dy=1&Nty=1&Ntt=measuring+wheel

dang...quite a price increase vs harbor freight.  Maybe I will try squeeze some smart out of my phone and just use my SAE wheel....LOL  Sure would be neat if a sight leaf was a 922r compliance part...a yard based US made sight would be kinda neat...wouldn't want to be involved in trying to make it happen...but it would be neat.... with a US battle sight stamp....:P
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Stock cutting/fitting don't look to bad.. :)

I was figuring a Dr. Hack'em up job like.......




Please say that isn't your NR?!?! If it was a screwdriver...I think they might have even used a phillips....wow.
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Milsurp Hand Guns & Sub Guns / Re: The US Army's other .45acp
« Last post by Blicero on Today at 01:45:08 AM »
Really cool revolvers. My shooting buddy totes one of these out to the range on every excursion. They're a blast, fun to shoot, and the novelty of a 45acp wheel gun is always good for grins. I know one of the makers, either Colt or S&W, commands a small premium over the other. Not sure if that's based on production numbers or quality or just artificial collectordom. I'd guess Colt.
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Very cool...I was wondering how many pages this would get to before you finally got it.  I don't hate you for it...I hate how close to the border I am.  It might as well be a different galaxy though.
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