7.62X39 in Balistic Gel

[CARBINE]

FMJ



Not much different from FMJ



Wow I thought the hollow points would have more expantion

[Phosphorus32]

The Ammochannel is great.  He really does nice work. Those modern commercial soft points and hollow points are basically worthless as expansion rounds.

The Ulyanovsk "Effect" ammo certainly appears to be good at expansion and fragmentation 


http://www.ammochannel.com/7-62x39-ulyanovsk-8m3-effect-hollow-point/

[Dannyboy53]

You are right Phosphorus, people would be surprised at the unreliable (if at all) expansion of pistol rounds and certainly many rifle rounds. I have never had much faith in ballistic gel info as it is not a good way at all to judge bullet effect or behavior on flesh. At best they are good as indicators of what we might expect from a cartridge/bullet.

For me, the bottom line is bullet manufacturers in some cases are not giving us what they say we are getting!

[Phosphorus32]

You are right Phosphorus, people would be surprised at the unreliable (if at all) expansion of pistol rounds and certainly many rifle rounds. I have never had much faith in ballistic gel info as it is not a good way at all to judge bullet effect or behavior on flesh. At best they are good as indicators of what we might expect from a cartridge/bullet.

For me, the bottom line is bullet manufacturers in some cases are not giving us what they say we are getting!

Good points Danny. Ballistic gel certainly doesn't mimic the changes in the resistance of different types of tissue and clearly nothing for bones but it's a nice clean looking medium of an average resistance that seems relevant for the penetrating power and tumbling behavior if bones are missed on entry.

Speaking of penetrating power: 36" of ballistic gel and keeps on going    This new-fangled medium sized 7.62x39 rifle cartridge isn't half bad    I may have to pick up a couple of guns in this caliber 

[Dannyboy53]

Speaking of penetrating power: 36" of ballistic gel and keeps on going    This new-fangled medium sized 7.62x39 rifle cartridge isn't half bad    I may have to pick up a couple of guns in this caliber 

Phosphorus I HIGHLY recommend them,  I am certain you will love the little rascals!

[Phosphorus32]

Speaking of penetrating power: 36" of ballistic gel and keeps on going    This new-fangled medium sized 7.62x39 rifle cartridge isn't half bad    I may have to pick up a couple of guns in this caliber 

Phosphorus I HIGHLY recommend them,  I am certain you will love the little rascals!

It takes me a while to catch up on new developments like the M43 cartridge, but I suspect I will enjoy them    

[Greasemonkey]

Speaking of penetrating power: 36" of ballistic gel and keeps on going    This new-fangled medium sized 7.62x39 rifle cartridge isn't half bad    I may have to pick up a couple of guns in this caliber 

Phosphorus I HIGHLY recommend them,  I am certain you will love the little rascals!

It takes me a while to catch up on new developments like the M43 cartridge, but I suspect I will enjoy them    

What is this new-fangled cartridge everybody is all excited over

Here I was still trying to fit these dammed old Russian rimmed things in these rifles, but they are way too long and just a tad, ok....they are fat. The Albanian cartridges won't fit the Albanians, the Chinese cartridges won't fit any Norinco,Type 56 or either Mak-90, the Romanian cartridges sure don't fit the Romanians, they do fit the PSL .  Don't even get me started on Czech, Yugoslavian and fricken Bulgarian, I even tried two the Trinity rounds Polish and East German.. no go.
 
And, let me tell ya, I ain't found no way to fit these 5 round strippers through that little tiny slot, I mean these things are Russian, and they still won't fit.

So...I need that short dinky rimless round now... well thats just great, now ya tell me. But, it explains alot.  Damn...all that wasted money on these little rifles my big old cartridges don't fit.

[sksmcrossvilletn]

The Ammochannel is great.  He really does nice work. Those modern commercial soft points and hollow points are basically worthless as expansion rounds.

The Ulyanovsk "Effect" ammo certainly appears to be good at expansion and fragmentation 


http://www.ammochannel.com/7-62x39-ulyanovsk-8m3-effect-hollow-point/

If you want something that expands good you either need tula 154 grain soft points or Hornady sst ballistic tips. 

[Greasemonkey]

Yup. It might, might expand. But a 450 grain .45-70 will never ever shrink