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The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« on: February 05, 2016, 02:38:53 PM »
So as most of you know us Canadians can't have anything AK, unless we are really old and had them back before they became prohibited (ie grandfathered).  The exception to that is the Valmet M78 and Valmet Hunter.  Don't ask why, on theories exist but the answer isn't known.

We can get the SKS, and the vz58s, and SVT40s, and vz52s (and maybe the RPD but that one is still on the fence with our bureaucrats)...

But as of two days ago, those bureaucrats told us that the Type 81 isn't an AK in their eyes, and as such it is good to go for import and sale!!!

I figured there would be some interested/jealous types quite intrigued by this turn of events.  Importers are saying 6 to 8 months before they start arriving.  The rifle version first, either in 17.4 inch barrels or 18.6 inch barrels (Canadian length for non-SBR type of thing, we call it Non-Restricted) and LMG looking versions down the road.

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2016, 03:25:41 PM »
Ok, I'll say it,  :o with all the wholehearted utmost respect I can muster after reading that cry1 .....YOU suck!!!  rofl2  thumb1  chuckles1    Now that the unpleasentries are outta the way....

Get in line for one,

You got it ordered yet... huh, do ya.....    drool2

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2016, 03:31:16 PM »
No body is ordering yet, and no seller has pre-orders up yet.

The way things work here, any new guns go to the RCMP lab for verification on what their legal classification will be.  The prospective importer submitted the Type 81 over 4 years ago!  My RPD is at exactly 2 years of waiting.  It sits in Florida purgatory right now.

Anyways, the lab approved it, and word got out before the importer could start bringing them in.  Now all the importers know, and those that deal with China are all rushing to get theirs built first and into the country.  That said, it is still going to take at least 6 months to get them built and sail them over.  But competition is better than a monopoly on the first few shipments.  Should make for better pricing.

It is actually pretty awesome.

I'm really excited for the LMG looking version, but honestly I'm probably going to buy a rifle and LMG as soon as they are available.

Stupid excited right now.
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2016, 04:51:11 PM »
That's pretty awesome F.L.  thumb1 

I don't know, these don't really do it for me. (but I guess that may simply be due to the fact that we are awash in AK type firearms down here and I'm definitely not an AK guy.)  I'm sure the experienced AK guys reading this are going to be green with envy. 

To be honest I wouldn't mind having one simply because it's Chinese.  Same would go for getting my hands on a type 63 though.  Unfortunately, the inane US import laws mean that anyone who tries to import kits for either of these here would have their hands full trying to recreate a receiver and would have to install a new barrel if they could even get them in in the first place (importing the whole gun even if converted to semi-auto only is simply not going to be an option for at least 10 years if ever as there are too many rules that conflict starting with non-C&R military weapons being an absolute show stopper).  The profit margin just isn't there I'm afraid. 

Ahh well, it's nice to see you're getting a new type up there though!  I wonder what finally prodded the approval after 4 years of waiting?  I would have thought with the new govt recently elected up there that a "not allowed" response would have pretty much been a slam dunk?
      

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2016, 04:55:12 PM »
4 years is pretty average for a military looking semi auto.  The STG44-22 took 4-5 years for them to decide it couldn't be made full auto, and wasn't a variant of a firearm deemed prohibited by name.  Either one of those things would have killed it.

Hence why I'm waiting 2 years and counting on my RPD.  It is bought and paid for, sitting in a shop with the rest of the import in the US of A.  Once the lab decides it is good to go, which it should be, they will be sent up.

Sadly I fear I will be waiting another 2 years.

Think BATFE classification, but with no timeline mandated to release their findings.  The lab here can drag things out if they want. 
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2016, 07:06:03 PM »
That's very cool.  An almost AKM with some SKS-like characteristics. Would love to see a detailed series of assembled and disassembled photos once these Type 81s arrive.

Too bad about your RPK. I thought I was being patient waiting 3-4 weeks for a firearm from some of the auction houses...but waiting 2-4 years  :o  that's way beyond my patience
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2016, 07:10:46 PM »
RPD.  We can't have the RPK, it is an AK and all AKs are banned up here save for those that were grandfathered when the ban came in.

RPD predates the AK, so it won't be a variant.

I saved photos I found online.  It is more SKS with AK features than an AK with SKS features.  And a little vz58 thrown in.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2016, 07:32:39 PM »
Nice! 

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2016, 07:44:53 PM »
Haha.

It is really it's own beast.  A family of guns really, like the AK family.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2016, 09:10:02 PM »
Pre order opened up two days ago. I have a Type 81SA with fixed stock on the way.......... Due Q3 2016  rofl

Couldn't help myself.

Might have to save up for folding stock version in time. My real want is the LMG but that isn't out yet.
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CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2016, 02:32:34 AM »
  Any word on your pre order fenceline? I can't believe we're already in the 3rd quarter of 2016! This year has blown by.

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2016, 05:26:29 PM »
  Any word on your pre order fenceline? I can't believe we're already in the 3rd quarter of 2016! This year has blown by.

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Nothing yet.  All the same drama as any other pre-order you see down south on the forums.  People whining it isn't in yet, wondering about how the gun will perform, the build quality... impatience really.

End of September is the end of Q3.  If it isn't here by then, people will lose their minds.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2016, 11:42:48 PM »
Oh boy...   shtf in CA.    nailbite1
      
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2016, 11:50:45 PM »
Oh boy...   shtf in CA.    nailbite1

Not yet.  We just get angrily apologetic. 
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2017, 08:02:13 AM »
Hey fenceline, what's the latest on the Type 81 imports to Canada? Did they make it in or what?

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2017, 09:33:14 PM »
Hey fenceline, what's the latest on the Type 81 imports to Canada? Did they make it in or what?

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We've been waiting for China to make them and put them on the boat. Frustrating as all hell. A second importer is trying to get in on the deal through Norinco. Polytech is the first import we are waiting on.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
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CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2017, 09:52:50 PM »
Frustrating as all hell.

Yeah....I know the feeling  rofl2  I want one.. chuckles1
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2017, 01:28:50 PM »
Hey fenceline, what's the latest on the Type 81 imports to Canada? Did they make it in or what?

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We've been waiting for China to make them and put them on the boat. Frustrating as all hell. A second importer is trying to get in on the deal through Norinco. Polytech is the first import we are waiting on.
 
  Are they going to be new production? Or are you just referring to making them semi-auto, and any other loophole they have to jump through in order to export to you? I have no idea what they're like to shoot or how reliable they are, but they look like something I'd like to add to my collection.  :) thumb1 

  Everyone is making a wish list of things for President Trump to reverse, fix, or correct. I might as well add being able to import firearms from Canada to the list.  thumb1  I'm rooting for this newest lawsuit out of Kansas that's going to end up at the SCOTUS, the first to actually contest the legallity of the Federal Government to make ANY laws concerning individual firearms ownership. The true and original meaning of the 2A! It could nullify every law since the Gun Control Act of 1934. States Rights! Of course, you'd need to live in a gun-friendly state after that.  :)  You California members, I feel for ya!

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2017, 01:57:37 PM »

  Are they going to be new production? Or are you just referring to making them semi-auto, and any other loophole they have to jump through in order to export to you? I have no idea what they're like to shoot or how reliable they are, but they look like something I'd like to add to my collection.  :) thumb1 

These will be new production, semi-auto only. Yes I'm on the waiting list for one too, patience is a virtue they say but my virtue is wear thin LOL.
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2017, 03:11:37 PM »
Wow, the Chinese broke out the old tooling for the Type 81's. I don't remember off hand when they last were in production. I wonder how big of a production run they will make of the semi-auto version?

They never made a semi-auto version for their military or militia, did they? I wonder if they'll stay with the dedicated Type 81 magazines or adapt to use the regular Type 56 AKM mags? Was it just a bolt hold open feature that made the Type 81 mags different?

Maybe the Chinese have insider knowledge that we'll be able to buy them down here in the States, too?  :)  We can always dream.

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