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General SKS Discussion / Re: What do we know about Briklee?
« Last post by newchi on Today at 06:57:43 PM »
That $129 for the fierce dragon T53 is now $331.  How does that stack up to what they sell for now?
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General SKS Discussion / Re: What do we know about Briklee?
« Last post by carls sks on Today at 06:42:17 PM »
 :o luv those old adds, now where did I leave my time-machine (yeah, I'm old  geezer1)?  stop1
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General SKS Discussion / Re: What do we know about Briklee?
« Last post by Justin Hell on Today at 06:06:56 PM »
Forty dollar T53s....I could stand that.
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Chinese SKS (Military) / Re: A pretty non import marked arsenal 974
« Last post by SVT-40 on Today at 01:29:57 PM »

Now I'm not saying they did anything unlawful, but some items just for some unknown reason slipped under the radar, and were not import marked. I'm sure it was simply a mistake. But when these importers sold their personal collections... Well they became available.

Anomaliys in every field of endeavour exist....

Wonder if it "Your Honor, for some unknown reason, it must have slipped under the radar" would actually be a tangible defense in a federal court of law. It amounts to doing 95mph down I-95, as long as you don't get caught, you slipped under the radar. Especially when the federal requirements say they had to be import stamped, 72 hours from the time they arrived if I'm not mistaken.. 

 Cool SKS  thumb1

Thanks! It is a beautiful little carbine...

I don't know how the individual CEO of a import corp. could be held criminally liable because a minimum wage worker forgot to stamp a few items... Or they tried to stamp them, and the machine malfunctioned...

Poop happens..

Probably the worst that could have happened was their import license suspended or something similar...
All administrative.

But these import companies only existed for a few years and then were gone. Millions made, owners back to China or Hong Kong. Then poof gone. I'm sure there was little to no enforcement related to a few items missing the marking process...

Which was probably more important to the BATFE, keeping track of the literally millions of arms and their serial numbers coming in from China, or making sure every single arm was import stamped?

I'm sure it was like the wild wild west...
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Chinese SKS (Military) / Re: A pretty non import marked arsenal 974
« Last post by Greasemonkey on Today at 12:55:04 PM »

Now I'm not saying they did anything unlawful, but some items just for some unknown reason slipped under the radar, and were not import marked. I'm sure it was simply a mistake. But when these importers sold their personal collections... Well they became available.

Anomaliys in every field of endeavour exist....

Wonder if it "Your Honor, for some unknown reason, it must have slipped under the radar" would actually be a tangible defense in a federal court of law. It amounts to doing 95mph down I-95, as long as you don't get caught, you slipped under the radar. Especially when the federal requirements say they had to be import stamped, 72 hours from the time they arrived if I'm not mistaken.. 

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Sure thing...  Report back on any more non import marked non-26 guns you come across.   thumb1
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Chinese SKS (Military) / Re: A pretty non import marked arsenal 974
« Last post by SVT-40 on Today at 11:48:35 AM »
What Im saying is..

if it were common occurrence for rifles to not be import marked by the importer, there would be an equal or greater ratio of non /26\ guns vs /26\ guns not having an import mark in the wild.  We simply do not see this.  There is an overwhelming majority of /26\ guns that are not import marked. In fact, yours are the only ones I have ever seen that would be non /26\ guns.  Theres like 5 non import marked SKSs on gunbroker 7 days a week for the last 10 years....

My simple question is, if it were so common.....  where are the mass quantities of non /26\ guns not having an import mark?   By theory, there should be more as there have been more non 26 guns imported.

I don't think it was "common" at all. I never used that term.

In fact I believe it was very un-common and rare.

I know of one guy who purposely did this.. He kept the unusual and differently marked carbines for his own collection.

I simply was in the right place at the right time and was able to get some of his collection when he disposed of it :)

I'm currently in the process of doing a complete inventory of my collection. When I'm done I'll check my records and see just how many un-marked carbines I have, and what arsenals produced them.

Happy collecting!!
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Chinese SKS (Military) / Re: A pretty non import marked arsenal 974
« Last post by SVT-40 on Today at 11:37:39 AM »
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The early Century imports with the electro etch markings were faked

Can you clarify this please?   thanks

So all three of your non marked guns came from an importers personal collection in which he didnt mark them.  Cant be many of these examples out there.... I have been looking for examples for years and yours are the only non /26\ thus far. I remember you posting the "Precision Degree Gun" on Gunboards.   Nice rifle.

Regarding the early Century guns with the electro etch markings, I was agreeing with you. There were unscrupulous folks who either replaced the top covers as you indicated, or removed the importer marks and refinished the cover...

The refinish jobs were usually poor, and not done on new condition carbines... As the process was pretty obvious.



I agree there are not many "non  import marked" Chines Type 56 carbines out in circulation, which for whatever reason missed being marked.

But they are out there.

I can use another instance of non marked surplus rifles as evidence. In about 2002 I saw an add in the Shot Gun news for "Swedish Mauser rifles for sale". It was just a small listing , and not any sort of real commercial listing. The add only listed a phone number, which had the same prefix as where my Father lived in Arizona. So I called the number and spoke to a guy who confirmed he had between 100 and 200 Swedish Mauser and rolling block rifles for sale.

Him location was about 3 miles from where my Father lived. So I made a trip out to see my Father, and also to check out what the guy had for sale. The location was in a rural residential part of town, and the property was about 3 acres with a number of out buildings on the property.

The seller showed me to a building chich had all the rifles inside. I went through them and picked out about 25 to buy.  We then went up to the main house, where the gentleman was also running a business which made silver buckles and other adornments and things for western wear. There were a few people running buffing wheels and there was felt and lint from the buffing wheeles everywhere. I noticed a few other Swedish rifles covered in lint leaning against the walls..

The were absolotely the nicest Swedish Mauser rifles I had ever seen..

We reached a deal to include these rifles. Payment was given and off I went.

That night while examining the rifles at my dads house I noticed not one of them had import markings...

Zero nada.

Fast forward another month, and another trip to see my Dad and to maybe pick up a few more Sweed's.
This time when I asked the seller about the origon of the rifles I was told he and his brother had imported them..

I asked about why no import markings?

he just shrugged his shoulders...

I bought about ten more that trip.

I still have about 15 or so Sweed's from them in my collection.

So just because someting should have certain marks does not mean they will always have those marks...

I also have a Czech made Vs 52/57 in my collection which "should" have importer marks on  it... But it doesent..

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What Im saying is..

if it were common occurrence for rifles to not be import marked by the importer, there would be an equal or greater ratio of non /26\ guns vs /26\ guns not having an import mark in the wild.  We simply do not see this.  There is an overwhelming majority of /26\ guns that are not import marked. In fact, yours are the only ones I have ever seen that would be non /26\ guns.  Theres like 5 non import marked SKSs on gunbroker 7 days a week for the last 10 years....

My simple question is, if it were so common.....  where are the mass quantities of non /26\ guns not having an import mark?   By theory, there should be more as there have been more non 26 guns imported.
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Chinese SKS (Military) / Re: A pretty non import marked arsenal 974
« Last post by Loose}{Cannon on February 22, 2018, 11:56:43 PM »
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The early Century imports with the electro etch markings were faked

Can you clarify this please?   thanks

So all three of your non marked guns came from an importers personal collection in which he didnt mark them.  Cant be many of these examples out there.... I have been looking for examples for years and yours are the only non /26\ thus far. I remember you posting the "Precision Degree Gun" on Gunboards.   Nice rifle.
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