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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2017, 03:22:10 PM »
Wow, the Chinese broke out the old tooling for the Type 81's. I don't remember off hand when they last were in production. I wonder how big of a production run they will make of the semi-auto version?

They never made a semi-auto version for their military or militia, did they? I wonder if they'll stay with the dedicated Type 81 magazines or adapt to use the regular Type 56 AKM mags? Was it just a bolt hold open feature that made the Type 81 mags different?

Maybe the Chinese have insider knowledge that we'll be able to buy them down here in the States, too?  :)  We can always dream.

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2017, 03:38:19 PM »
Dang it GM. I hear Type 81 and think Type 63/68 (Type 63).  I knew about the Type 81 because I actually had a chance to buy a semi-auto version, brand new, with that fancy, double fuller blade bayonet, and all. This was waaay back when the internet was brand new. If I remember correctly, Da Keng of KFS had a few that he turned loose of and put on GunBroker 6 or 8 years ago?

And wonder of wonders, I was the OP of the thread you posted that article in. The 'ole memory cells upstairs aren't responding very well for me today.  fart1  Oh well, another thing to check off the list "that goes" after you get ancient.

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2017, 03:52:35 PM »
Wow, the Chinese broke out the old tooling for the Type 81's. I don't remember off hand when they last were in production. I wonder how big of a production run they will make of the semi-auto version?

They never made a semi-auto version for their military or militia, did they? I wonder if they'll stay with the dedicated Type 81 magazines or adapt to use the regular Type 56 AKM mags? Was it just a bolt hold open feature that made the Type 81 mags different?

Maybe the Chinese have insider knowledge that we'll be able to buy them down here in the States, too?  :)  We can always dream.

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Still being produced for some SE asian countries (among others) apparantly and the reason ours got delayed was because of a large foreign gov't purchase of the same rifle. Or so the story goes.
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2017, 12:42:12 AM »
The canada semi autos will be use the type 81 magazines that have the bolt hold open. China still gas the tooling to make them. As do Bangladesh. And China makes them for Myanmar.
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2017, 12:44:44 AM »
Dang it GM. I hear Type 81 and think Type 63/68 (Type 63).  I knew about the Type 81 because I actually had a chance to buy a semi-auto version, brand new, with that fancy, double fuller blade bayonet, and all. This was waaay back when the internet was brand new. If I remember correctly, Da Keng of KFS had a few that he turned loose of and put on GunBroker 6 or 8 years ago?

And wonder of wonders, I was the OP of the thread you posted that article in. The 'ole memory cells upstairs aren't responding very well for me today.  fart1  Oh well, another thing to check off the list "that goes" after you get ancient.

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The type 63 (also incorrectly called the type 68) uses the same magazines as the 81. Or vice versa depending on how you think it. The 81 is a direct lineage of the 63.
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2017, 01:14:07 AM »
I don't see any resemblance between the 63 and 81.   :-\
      
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2017, 04:39:49 AM »
Dang it GM. I hear Type 81 and think Type 63/68 (Type 63).  I knew about the Type 81 because I actually had a chance to buy a semi-auto version, brand new, with that fancy, double fuller blade bayonet, and all. This was waaay back when the internet was brand new. If I remember correctly, Da Keng of KFS had a few that he turned loose of and put on GunBroker 6 or 8 years ago?

And wonder of wonders, I was the OP of the thread you posted that article in. The 'ole memory cells upstairs aren't responding very well for me today.  fart1  Oh well, another thing to check off the list "that goes" after you get ancient.

Thanks for reminding me.  thumb1  Now, where'd I park my car?

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The type 63 (also incorrectly called the type 68) uses the same magazines as the 81. Or vice versa depending on how you think it. The 81 is a direct lineage of the 63.

I have several styles of the 20rd Type 63 magazines, both metal and plastic. But no examples of the Type 81 mags. Do the Type 81 magazines have the wide spline on the back, too?

The top two mags are 20rd Type 63, in steel and plastic. The bottom mag is a Hungarian 20rd steel "Tanker" mag.


I looked through articles on the Type 81, but  I can't get a good angle on the magazine. Just curious.

The Yugoslav BHO mags don't have the wide spline. How did they hold up? The folllower takes most of the abuse. I guess it would depend on how well the follower is designed/manufactured.

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2017, 02:22:34 PM »
Here is a shot of the mag and some more rifle photos..

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?192039-Chinese-Type-81-S


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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2017, 04:31:26 PM »
I don't see any resemblance between the 63 and 81.   :-\

The rcmp lab evaluation cites the Type 81 being a evolution of the Type 63. They had it for 3 years examining it.
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2017, 09:00:45 AM »
I don't see any resemblance between the 63 and 81.   :-\

The rcmp lab evaluation cites the Type 81 being a evolution of the Type 63. They had it for 3 years examining it.

Yeah...  after the 63, chinas small arms design 'evolved' into a completely weapon.   :))

No offence, but they can evaluate it until the cows come home, the only resemblance I see is they were both made in China and possibly share the same mag.  Where did they get the 63 for the comparison? 

Most pics of a 63 you will find in one place on the internet.    http://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=713.0
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2017, 09:11:35 AM »
I don't see any resemblance between the 63 and 81.   :-\

The rcmp lab evaluation cites the Type 81 being a evolution of the Type 63. They had it for 3 years examining it.

Yeah...  after the 63, chinas small arms design 'evolved' into a completely weapon.   :))

No offence, but they can evaluate it until the cows come home, the only resemblance I see is they were both made in China and possibly share the same mag.  Where did they get the 63 for the comparison? 

Most pics of a 63 you will find in one place on the internet.    http://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=713.0

That "RCMP lab evaluation" is a bit of an inside joke up here - it's all meaningless smoke and mirrors for the gov't to arbitrarily rate (and delay) firearm approvals. So yea, we take all their evaluation "rationale" with a large grain of salt LOL.
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2017, 11:52:27 AM »
Yeah...  3 years to look at something and come to that conclusion?    bat1
      
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2017, 11:53:24 AM »
Yeah...  3 years to look at something and come to that conclusion?    bat1

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2017, 12:03:12 PM »
I been inspecting SKS carbines for over 10 years and can now release my official evaluation statement.     fineprint


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« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2017, 12:46:22 PM »
I been inspecting SKS carbines for over 10 years and can now release my official evaluation statement.     fineprint


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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2017, 12:49:10 PM »
Yeah...  3 years to look at something and come to that conclusion?    bat1

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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2017, 02:27:50 PM »
Yeah...  3 years to look at something and come to that conclusion?    bat1

Exactly!

3 years.... and they haven't figured out it matches an Ak or Vz in just about all aspects and performance, but yet, they wont allow an Ak. Maybe it's that horrible rotating bolt they fear, its scary when it rotates, maybe the Ak magazine is too close to the trigger guard, mashed fingers are no fun  chuckles1

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So yea, we take all their evaluation "rationale" with a large grain of salt LOL

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2017, 03:01:03 PM »
They won't allow AKs because the law specifically says AKs are banned like in several US states. Same type of legislation.

So they have looked at this gun and like the vz58 said it isn't an AK variant.  Canadian gun law is confusing for most Canadians. Don't try to apply logic to it.
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2017, 05:52:41 PM »
UPDATE FROM THE IMPORTER>>> (Not that you guys really care, but you get to see what we are dealing with up north...  fart1)

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T81 Update Feb 21st 2017

We had a lengthy discussion with Poly today, they have recently visited the factory and we have some new information regarding our order. The factory makes a production plan at the beginning of every year, that lays out their production schedule for the entire year. Unbeknownst to us or Poly at the time, the T81 is not a commonly ordered item and it is only produced every once in a while, not even on a yearly basis. There needs to be a certain number of orders together before the factory will consider doing a production run. Initially, Poly was likely telling us estimates based on their experience with other projects, such as the T97 that is produced on a regular basis, unaware that the T81 was seldom produced by the factory. Poly was told by the factory in the fall there was no scheduled 2016 T81 production, however they had received a government order of 30,000 T81s, so there would be an upcoming T81 order regardless. Theyd try and get the order in the winter if they could, but no guarantees due to the recently expanded military orders they were fulfilling.

 We have been informed the production plan for 2017 was developed and the T81 production run was officially scheduled for this July. The factory has a 50 million dollar government contract for AKs that has to be produced first. They are on maximum capacity with nothing else being produced until this is finished. Once this is done however, we are first on the list. While all of this may seem like bad news, we are lucky for a number of reasons:

 1) If the contract for 30k T81s didnt come in last year, we could be waiting even longer for the factory to justify a production run
 2) The Chinese military will be re-arming their service rifles with a new unannounced modular rifle. We have been told that the factory (among others) will only producing rifles for the re-armament for next 2-3 years, then you can imagine the backlog of orders to fulfill after that. This means that this could be the only T81 production run in the next 3+ years, likely even longer. 

 We understand that many may be frustrated by this news but this is a situation completely out of our control; we can only go by the information we receive. We strive to make sure everyone that deals with Tactical Imports is a happy client, so in addition to the pre-order bonuses of a spare extra magazine and sling we will now be providing everyone with a T81 order as of February 20th, $50 of store credit for use with a future purchase or issued as a gift certificate to a third party. We of course will be offering full refunds upon request, however keep in mind the store credit bonus is only for active orders placed prior to February 21. Also keep in mind, those with pre-orders have a locked-in price.

 Good news is that we have received our 5/30 magazines and wood stock set finished as per production specs, so shortly well be able to send our prototype T81 around for media reviews, articles and videos. Those patiently waiting will be awarded with some long awaited content.
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2017, 05:53:27 PM »
5/30 mags for those wondering wtf he means... are 30 round mags pinned to 5 to comply with Kanuckistan law.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
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CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
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