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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #60 on: October 17, 2017, 02:20:51 AM »
Not here yet. We are expecting them by end of November. Hopefully sooner.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #61 on: October 23, 2017, 08:41:11 PM »
Apparently they have landed in country and have cleared customs. This photo just got leaked from the importer apparently.

Edit: guy hosting the photo pulled it. But not before I could save it hahahaha. Stand by...

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RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #62 on: October 23, 2017, 10:12:36 PM »
  Looks good! Is this supplied by /26\? "Made By Norinco" on it? Anybody have the info on those specifics yet? I doubt that there are that many factories still running with the tooling for the Type 81's, even making new parts to avoid those awful military features. Probably new Receivers, Trigger Group parts, anything to do with select fire. I'm curious as to why they left the Grenade Launcher capability on the barrels? I can't tell from this latest pic, is the grenade launcher sight ladder still on these? Are you guys able to use the practice/dummy rifle grenades "up there"? It's difficult to keep track of our intricate, confusing laws and regulations. I have few facts about Canadian laws.

  Do they have/offer that crazy cool bayonet that the Type 81 was issued? I always wanted one of those. I ordered a "practice" Type 81 bayonet from China and got a cheap plastic toy. And I use the term toy loosely there. Any kid I know would have it in pieces almost immediately. It worked well enough to get a few more Yankee dollars from me. Fool me once, yeah. And if you dress it up and somehow connect it to Chinese milsurp, you can probably sucker me twice, dang it.  Besplode

  It's interesting that China is still producing "whatever 'ya want" for the West. I know it's a pipe dream, but I wish Trump would fix the China Arms trade thingy, whatever it was that shut off the Small Arms from coming in from China. Of course the lefties would have a complete televised meltdown if that subject was even raised now. Would anyone else mind buying Polytech AK's for $350.00 again?  :o :)

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #63 on: October 23, 2017, 10:59:59 PM »
Made by Emei. Which is Factory 26 Jianshe.

Grenade launcher was left on by popular demand. By Canadian law for this to be non restricted the barrel without attachments needs to be 18.6 inches long. The military barrel is around 17.2 inches. So they added barrel by making it thread deeper into the muzzle attachment, but the end of the muzzle attachment only site 0.7 inches farther forward than military spec thus hiding some of the longer barrel. If that makes sense. Pretty ingenious. When I say non restricted, think non SBR in US terms which is 16 inches if I have it right.   1.4 inches more barrel with the muzzle device ending only. 7 inches farther out.

Bayonets might still work. Lots of people buying them on e bay but with the 0.7 longer out muzzle device it isn't know how well the bayo will work.

Ladder sights? Not a thing on these.

We can get dummy grenades. Or 3d print has been suggested to run with blanks. So muzzle device is cool. Looks better too than the naked barrel.

EBay has real bayos if you know where to look. Might be listed as hunting knives. Or kitchen knives.

RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #64 on: October 25, 2017, 09:13:06 PM »
Looks like these things have actually gotten built now - might even receive one sometime this year!




Is this article about the Type 81's in Calibre magazine available online? I'd like to see it if I can find it somewhere. 


A more detailed update today - lookin' good!

From the vendor:

We are happy to announce that the Type 81 inspection was a success! Inspection notes are as follows:
-30 guns were inspected from random boxes
-No aesthetic problems identified
-450 rounds tested, no stoppages
-No overdrilling of gas ports in barrels
-Mistake with wood finish made, guns will come with an extra set of wood included in the box, finished to proper order specs. Will not effect schedule
-Extra units ordered by Poly on this run, we will have more units available in the future
-Production adhered to the Canadian semi-auto standards as designed, no deviation
-Export already booked, delivery is on schedule
-Guns look sweet!





  I think I like the folding stock model better to look at, but would probably prefer the fixed stock as a shooter. If it's comparable to the AK type folding vs. fixed shooting situation, anyway. I guess a guy could just buy one of each and be happy, though!  thumb1

  How are the 7.62x39mm surplus ammo stocks holding out for Canadian purchases? I take it that you can still get surplus Chinese 7.62x39 ammo? How about the Russian and other previous Commbloc surplus x39 ammo? Are the prices still affordable?



Made by Emei. Which is Factory 26 Jianshe.

Grenade launcher was left on by popular demand. By Canadian law for this to be non restricted the barrel without attachments needs to be 18.6 inches long. The military barrel is around 17.2 inches. So they added barrel by making it thread deeper into the muzzle attachment, but the end of the muzzle attachment only site 0.7 inches farther forward than military spec thus hiding some of the longer barrel. If that makes sense. Pretty ingenious. When I say non restricted, think non SBR in US terms which is 16 inches if I have it right.   1.4 inches more barrel with the muzzle device ending only. 7 inches farther out.

Bayonets might still work. Lots of people buying them on e bay but with the 0.7 longer out muzzle device it isn't know how well the bayo will work.

Ladder sights? Not a thing on these.

We can get dummy grenades. Or 3d print has been suggested to run with blanks. So muzzle device is cool. Looks better too than the naked barrel.

EBay has real bayos if you know where to look. Might be listed as hunting knives. Or kitchen knives.



  That was pretty ingenious on the barrel length problem. It still looks like the original. Not sure if the bayonet would still work, but I'd want one, anyway. Is Emei supplying the bayonets for Canadian purchases? I've been watching Ebay for the Type 81 bayonets, but can't seem to find them. I'll start broadening my search parameters as you suggested.

  Thanks for the updates, guys!

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #65 on: October 25, 2017, 10:57:46 PM »
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How are the 7.62x39mm surplus ammo stocks holding out for Canadian purchases? I take it that you can still get surplus Chinese 7.62x39 ammo? How about the Russian and other previous Commbloc surplus x39 ammo? Are the prices still affordable?

let me check my spreadsheet,

Bulgarian 1320, $355cdn
PRC 1440 $310cdn
Russian 1320 $339cdn

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2017, 07:38:59 AM »
Look up survival knives.  You'll find bayonets.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #67 on: October 26, 2017, 07:40:12 AM »
And No, bayonet is not being supplied by Emei.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #68 on: October 26, 2017, 03:59:10 PM »
These have now officially cleared customs and will be enroute to vendor for  distribution to (long-suffering, patient) buyers - getting REAL close to hands on time now woot!!! 

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #69 on: October 26, 2017, 04:05:06 PM »

  How are the 7.62x39mm surplus ammo stocks holding out for Canadian purchases? I take it that you can still get surplus Chinese 7.62x39 ammo? How about the Russian and other previous Commbloc surplus x39 ammo? Are the prices still affordable?[/size]


 

P.S. as Newchi note, corrosive surplus is still readily available, if slowly rising in $$. And yes new production non-corrosive Chinese ammo is available from time to time:

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #70 on: October 26, 2017, 06:58:20 PM »
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P.S. as Newchi note, corrosive surplus is still readily available, if slowly rising in $$. And yes new production non-corrosive Chinese ammo is available from time to time:

I just had a thought, and added the exchange rate into spreadsheet data for feb 2016 june 2016 april 2017 and sept 2017 - the exchange rate is every retailers excuse up here.

Its not related.  >:(

In 2015 i was buying cases for what one spam can sells for today.

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #71 on: October 26, 2017, 08:56:00 PM »

I just had a thought, and added the exchange rate into spreadsheet data for feb 2016 june 2016 april 2017 and sept 2017 - the exchange rate is every retailers excuse up here....


Such is our lot in life up here north of the 49th  nea1
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #72 on: November 07, 2017, 06:20:31 PM »
First pics of a customer rifle as they're now finally shipping out and arriving at their new homes - I'm waiting on a folder myself, fixed stocks are being shipped first.





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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #73 on: November 07, 2017, 06:41:14 PM »
Pretty dang cool  8)  I want to see one disembowled with the guts spread all over the work bench (well, in an anatomically organized manner) :P

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #74 on: November 07, 2017, 06:48:55 PM »
Once I can lay my paws on my very own I'll be more than happy to oblige lol....
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #75 on: November 07, 2017, 07:01:19 PM »
Awesome!  I hope they are worth the wait you guys have had to endure!  thumb1
      

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #76 on: November 07, 2017, 07:32:02 PM »
Pretty dang cool  8)  I want to see one disembowled with the guts spread all over the work bench (well, in an anatomically organized manner) :P

Yeah...yeah... pull them guts plumb out and lets see'em  thumb1  Lets see some gut shots..  rofl2

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #77 on: November 08, 2017, 06:28:18 AM »
 ;)

...another new owner pic, I wasn't really torn up with the last year+ wait but now these last few days are killing me LOL

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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #78 on: November 08, 2017, 08:57:12 PM »
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
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Re: The Type 81 - Or another reason to hate Canadians
« Reply #79 on: November 09, 2017, 11:42:15 AM »
Nice.  How's the fit and finish?