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Canadian SKS Nut...
« on: December 01, 2014, 06:03:16 PM »
Just stumbled into this place so I figured I'd do the typical intro.

Canadian "gun nut" with a small collection of SKS from Russia, China and Yugoslavia made versions, and some of those that have stumbled into other locations.

Will add the group to the sig line.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2014, 06:09:57 PM »
Glad to have you here!  My wife is Canadian, though she's a newfie so I'm told that only counts partially at best.  rofl2

Intros are not mandatory here coincidentally, but it's nice to meet you all the same!

I'll set your Club P&R status up so you can see the clubhouse, politics, and religion boards.  (All new members who actually post & contribute are getting 'upgraded' early on…we've only been open since mid September!)

Have a look around, post up some of your favorite guns if you wish, and feel free to ask any question you wish.

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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2014, 06:11:48 PM »
Welcome aboard!

How do you know "W.P." represents Polish?   Can we see that rifle please?   :)
      
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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2014, 06:14:22 PM »
Welcome aboard!

How do you know "W.P." represents Polish?   Can we see that rifle please?   :)

Sure.  Let me work on pics.  It is the Polish dirty bird W.P. stamp on the stock, a dealer up here got them out of Poland, one time import.  It was a small lot and they didn't last.  They aren't parade rifles, rather appear to be emergency stored units, break out in case of West.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2014, 06:15:15 PM »
Glad to have you here!  My wife is Canadian, though she's a newfie so I'm told that only counts partially at best.  rofl2

Intros are not mandatory here coincidentally, but it's nice to meet you all the same!

I'll set your Club P&R status up so you can see the clubhouse, politics, and religion boards.  (All new members who actually post & contribute are getting 'upgraded' early on…we've only been open since mid September!)

Have a look around, post up some of your favorite guns if you wish, and feel free to ask any question you wish.

-RM

Do I mention now I'm half newf???  Hahaha
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2014, 06:15:34 PM »
Whoa-- cry1  Polish-? darn  darn   that ought to be almost in the holy trinity !!  Welcome--don't mind me, I ask all the dumb questions and bought a super rare "Blonde Chinese Romanian"- that's why I ask dumb questions now !!
Give me your poor-your broke-your homeless-Blued & Birch Letter guns and your DDR/Liski's !

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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2014, 06:18:53 PM »
About that Polish Tula SKS, here is part of what I posted in another forum on it...

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1952 Russian SKS-45, refurbed.  All pieces have factory matching serial numbers with the exception of the Laminate stock which has no XXXX but the proper serial number.  Refurb mark on receiver cover.  Birch hand guard.





AND...

Two Polish Army "W.P." markings. 

One on the left side of the butt stock, to the rear of the serial number...



And one on the left side of the stock, between the bolt and the magazine...



No export marking that I have seen so far.  He had two at the show, and this was the nicest of the two he had.  No more coming in apparently.

This isn't one of the parade rifles and appears to have been in long term storage similar to the SKS that were coming out of the Ukraine.

Picture of 1956 Russian SKS45 in a Polish parade stock for comparison.  Note, this is not an official Polish parade rifle, just a run of the mill Russian in a surplus stock I managed to find, to make a Polish Parade SKS example.  Not trying to pass it off as authentic...



Of a secondary note he did have one that had the stock sanded down, and a very large font serial number on the left side of the butt stock.  He explained that the Polish Army had the unit's crest on the stock, and these had to be removed by law prior to export.  The stock had been sanded, restamped and then re-stained.  You could feel the depression, and the number was noticeable to those keen on the sks, but anyone not knowing what to look for would probably not have noticed.  Interesting piece for sure.  There were no other marks on that rifle.
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RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2014, 06:26:35 PM »
I'll post up the Polish SKS stuff in the appropriate forum.  So it can be in the right place.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2014, 06:36:36 PM »
Welcome Fenceline thumb1 thumb1 

Still hunting your unicorn, a Romanian I see? bat1


Again welcome, and I can't help but to razz ya a little chuckles1
I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse......

Leave the gun, take the cannoli.

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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2014, 06:44:00 PM »
Welcome Fenceline thumb1 thumb1 

Still hunting your unicorn, a Romanian I see? bat1


Again welcome, and I can't help but to razz ya a little chuckles1

Well lookie there! 

Albanian, Romanian, and maybe a laminate blued bolt Chinese SKS from somewhere sandy.  That would be nice.

The hard part is finding one from a US seller that can pin the mag to 5 rounds prior to sending it to my FFL / Importer Exporter so I can at least have it's proper mag with it.  I've been hesitant to grab any off GB as I'm not so trusting of my broker's mag "fixer".  He doesn't always do nice work.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2014, 07:49:28 PM »
Welcome Fenceline thumb1 thumb1 

Still hunting your unicorn, a Romanian I see? bat1


Again welcome, and I can't help but to razz ya a little chuckles1

Well lookie there! 

Albanian, Romanian, and maybe a laminate blued bolt Chinese SKS from somewhere sandy.  That would be nice.

The hard part is finding one from a US seller that can pin the mag to 5 rounds prior to sending it to my FFL / Importer Exporter so I can at least have it's proper mag with it.  I've been hesitant to grab any off GB as I'm not so trusting of my broker's mag "fixer".  He doesn't always do nice work.

Now you're steppin' into mine & LC's turf  :)

Remember, not all have the typical blued carrier / lammy combo..

This shall helpith on thine quest:

The Israeli-Capture Chinese SKS - Chinese SKS (Military) - SKS-FILES FORUM - Page 1 of 1

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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2014, 07:51:13 PM »
Oh yeah, and welcome!!  :)

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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2014, 07:53:53 PM »

Now you're steppin' into mine & LC's turf  :)

Remember, not all have the typical blued carrier / lammy combo..

This shall helpith on thine quest:

The Israeli-Capture Chinese SKS - Chinese SKS (Military) - SKS-FILES FORUM - Page 1 of 1

 ;)

My search is somewhat hindered by my Northern Locale.  If I find one, I need to export it out of the US and import it into Canada.  Not the toughest thing to do, but I costs a little extra.

And the biggest worry is the magazine.  Semi-autos like the sks are limited to 5 rounds up here.  I'd either have to lose the mag pre-import, or risk it getting butchered to pin it.  There are nice pin jobs, it is just finding a way to get a nice job done of it prior to import.

A Chinese Laminate with blued bolt and spike bayo would be pretty cool, but anything with Arabic rack markings on the stock would be scooped up with me yelling "Take my money" if I saw it up here.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2014, 08:01:30 PM »
But.....   Canada did receive a shipment from Israel.   Prior to pinning mag days.   What chu know about all that?
      
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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2014, 08:08:11 PM »

Now you're steppin' into mine & LC's turf  :)

Remember, not all have the typical blued carrier / lammy combo..

This shall helpith on thine quest:

The Israeli-Capture Chinese SKS - Chinese SKS (Military) - SKS-FILES FORUM - Page 1 of 1

 ;)

My search is somewhat hindered by my Northern Locale.  If I find one, I need to export it out of the US and import it into Canada.  Not the toughest thing to do, but I costs a little extra.

And the biggest worry is the magazine.  Semi-autos like the sks are limited to 5 rounds up here.  I'd either have to lose the mag pre-import, or risk it getting butchered to pin it.  There are nice pin jobs, it is just finding a way to get a nice job done of it prior to import.

A Chinese Laminate with blued bolt and spike bayo would be pretty cool, but anything with Arabic rack markings on the stock would be scooped up with me yelling "Take my money" if I saw it up here.

I hear ya. Keep a close eye out for Russian sks's up by you that exhibit similar features (minus the blued carrier/lammy stock combo, that was done in China prior to the Chicom SKS's flying to Syria & Palestine) then again some Russians have lammy stocks, but you know what I mean.

There was a batch sent to Canada that seems to consist of Russians with Arabic markings, and/or a thick red reshellac (a common mid east refurb method) with a sand down underneath it.

Finding a Chicom with the common features may be difficult up by you. Hell, it's difficult to find them down by us. I always keep an eye out. I have a Blued carrier with Russian lammy replacement 12 mill, and a 9 mill with Russian Hardwood replacement.

2 1/2 years of searching GB, and I've seen 5 available. I bought 3 of them.

Do most FFL's down here not want to ship to Canada or something? Pardon my ignorance on the subject but I have no idea how that works shipping to another country

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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2014, 08:10:19 PM »
But.....   Canada did receive a shipment from Israel.   Prior to pinning mag days.   What chu know about all that?

Have never seen one.  If they came in, they aren't common.  My /016\ is Security marked, and I think it came into Canada out of the US before ITAR and such made it more difficult to just bring firearms back and forth between our countries.  It is Kang import marked.  Canadian guns don't require import marks, but from time to time do have export marks from their original countries, such as the Molot sks coming in currently.

If they are here, I haven't seen one in the 4 years I've been collecting SKS.  Most people here would have no idea what it is, other than an SKS.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2014, 08:13:24 PM »
I think most of the Canada batch was Russian guns......     Also like Worm stated, they are not all rack # marked nor are they all blued carrier laminated stock rifles.
      
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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2014, 08:14:41 PM »

I hear ya. Keep a close eye out for Russian sks's up by you that exhibit similar features (minus the blued carrier/lammy stock combo, that was done in China prior to the Chicom SKS's flying to Syria & Palestine) then again some Russians have lammy stocks, but you know what I mean.

There was a batch sent to Canada that seems to consist of Russians with Arabic markings, and/or a thick red reshellac (a common mid east refurb method) with a sand down underneath it.

Finding a Chicom with the common features may be difficult up by you. Hell, it's difficult to find them down by us. I always keep an eye out. I have a Blued carrier with Russian lammy replacement 12 mill, and a 9 mill with Russian Hardwood replacement.

2 1/2 years of searching GB, and I've seen 5 available. I bought 3 of them.

Do most FFL's down here not want to ship to Canada or something? Pardon my ignorance on the subject but I have no idea how that works shipping to another country

I'll keep a look out.  FFLs can't ship out of the US without an export permit.  Thank you ITAR.  I can however purchase a firearm (not possess) and have it shipped to my FFL in Arizona who happens to have initials IRG.  They have a Canadian base of operations up here and are also an import/exporter on either side of the border.

A single gun costs $200 to import, plus Cdn tax, plus $25 flat shipping to the US border, and actual shipping from their warehouse here to my house.

And it is still worth it if the gun is the right price.  It is a balancing act. 

But all that considered, my biggest concern is the magazine.  Getting it limited to 5 to meet the regs, without it being butchered.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2014, 08:17:09 PM »
I think most of the Canada batch was Russian guns......     Also like Worm stated, they are not all rack # marked nor are they all blued carrier laminated stock rifles.

There are Russians up here with blued bolts and bayonets.... and black bolts and bayonets.  And some again with blued/black bolts, and shiny bayos.

Everyone I've spoken to, myself included, figured them for run of the mill refurbs.

You don't mean those by chance, do you?
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: Canadian SKS Nut...
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2014, 08:30:21 PM »
Nope....   only Chinese lamy/blued configuration means Israeli capture, and thats only if it wasn't imported from china and marked norinco as those were left overs that never made the trip. 

This is a known Canada Russian IC gun.....



      
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